Google recruiter tell me Facebook levels are lower scope

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Sep 9, 2017 61 Comments

A google recruiter has been emailing me for a while and I finally gave in and talked to him. I'm an E7 at Facebook and I did pretty well and grew relatively fast at Facebook.
When I asked the recruiter which level they are considering me for he said L6. I said WTF why should I even consider that then he tells me that level if scope at Google is higher and the levels are not equivalent. I think that is BS and Google tries to low-ball.
What do you think? Just because I don't have too many years of experience am I automatically discredited? They didn't even bother to ask me about the scope I am currently working on.

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  • Microsoft / Eng DoraSpenlo
    lol they're definitely low balling you. And that's because they can. People are lined up at the door trying to get into Google. Facebook is no joke either, but it's like comparing an entry level Ferrari (Google) to a top of the line ZR1 corvette (Facebook). No one outside of extreme car enthusiasts will know the difference between a base corvette and a ZR1 corvette at first glance, all they know is you drive a corvette and someone else drives a Ferrari and they'll assume the Ferrari person is more successful. That's how it goes with Google. It has more prestige and positivity associated with its name of being where smart people work (and it was the number 1 company to work for on the Forbes list going on ten years). Facebook is high up there too but it's not number 1 on that list (other niche lists, yea), and if it was not for that long a time either.

    At top companies, it's not uncommon for many high ranking folks take a level down to goto work for a high ranking competitor. I had two former CEO's as my manager and skip at Apple. Our director was the former CTO for a large very well known tech firm. At Google they had Harvard MBA's taking sales calls. Facebook has some top notch people too. But sorry to say unless you're a well known name or have some super niche talent that's immediately in demand, you're not coming over at equal levels at L7 at Google, Apple, or even Microsoft. There's too many people who have put in their time there waiting for their chance for that level that you would be passing up as an unknown outside hire.

    If you really want to work with Google, go take the offer. L6 is still very senior at Google. If you prefer upward moves and Google is an afterthought or nice to have only, then go get better offers. Amazon may offer you L8 (Director) if you are CEO in waiting level talent and have shown you can launch a new category for them and bring in a half a billion or more in cogs. If you're on the tech side you could definitely get principal engineer L7 at Amazon if you have met Facebook's L7 bar and didn't just osmosis into it from earlier, easier times (they have a special swat team dedicated to recruiting you). All the best.
    Sep 9, 2017 16
    • Facebook / Eng another1
      At the end of the day Microsoft isn't in the top 3 but FB is. Both companies know this and account for it.
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Splunk FnjE83
      Imho from an engineering talent perspective MS is not even in top 10.
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng DoraSpenlo
      Who sits 3rd then, FB?
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Facebook Sona
      Who’s first and second?
      Nov 25, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng Apuemzxbxm
      Who’s fourth?
      Nov 27, 2017
  • Fitbit Thrdvhjj
    Titles are mostly meaningless.. its compensation that matters. If you get paid the same + more as an L6 at Google, go for it. If you really think you deserve to be L7 then there's more headroom for you to grow compensation-wise.
    Sep 9, 2017 11
    • Google leroy
      Does close to 1m a year mean u bring home 1m a year, or does it mean the salary + stock grant (vesting over 4 years) is equal to 1m?
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Facebook Hubs
      OP
      4j5hs I'm not leaving just talked to a recruiter who was emailing me often. The first recruiter call and he says we want to interview you for L6.
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Facebook Hubs
      OP
      Gop, it doesn't work that way. Google is a hierarchical corporation. Once you have a title of staff you are treated like a staff. Why should I take an L6 and prove myself to get L7? I've already done it at FB
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Facebook Hubs
      OP
      leroy, total comp before tax is close to 1M. Mostly RSUs and had some growth
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Google Uvor31
      I've seen e6's lead big efforts and e7s just solo coding work. My impression, once you crack the 6 barrier, it is mostly what you want to make of it. The scope can be as big or as little as you try to pick it.
      Sep 12, 2017
  • Facebook xeXk82
    If anything, performance expectation at google is much lower for the same level at Facebook. It is short sighted to say that only comp matters, not level. Your future comp (refreshers, salary hike) depends on level. Don't take googles bs.
    Sep 9, 2017 0
  • Facebook mcnugget
    I literally had an eng director at goog tell me that maybe zuck would be an l7.
    Sep 10, 2017 4
    • Amazon secretnine
      Wut? Seriously?
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Facebook / Eng unicorn-
      I heard this rumor multiple times - unfortunately there are arrogant, fools at every company. Majority of engineers at Google are smart, talented people who wouldn't say the above. Honestly don't know how useful it is to keep bringing up - "there once was a person at company X who said something dumb".

      I am sure there have have been plenty of incidents for FB engineers as well :)
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Facebook xeXk82
      +1 @unicorn-
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Facebook / Eng another1
      He probably tells you that so you feel more grateful for being a L whatever.
      Sep 10, 2017
  • Facebook xeXk82
    @mcnugget there was a time when MS folks used to say similar things about google. These type of selective blindness makes large incumbents vulnerable to disruptive innovation.
    Sep 10, 2017 3
    • Facebook The one an
      I've read this before - incumbatory selective disruption vulnerability. The key is synergetic variability advantage
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Facebook jacks
      ^lolwut
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Facebook xeXk82
      😂
      Sep 10, 2017
  • WRKSHP / Eng 🌧️☔
    Sep 10, 2017 3
    • Facebook xeXk82
      You understand that this is full of wrong information outside pairwise comparison among the big 4 ?
      Sep 10, 2017
    • WRKSHP / Eng 🌧️☔
      The founder is on blind - you should let him/her know
      [Blind] Check out this post! Show Blind: Levels.fyi - Compare career levels across companies (Misc.)
      https://us.teamblind.com/s/Q7Gm7Y5v
      Sep 10, 2017
    • New wAEG44
      What companies have misinformation? Would love to fix
      Sep 13, 2017
  • Facebook LikableFro
    you're getting low-balled. I was an ic7 and given the same level from Google and +xx% comp and I still turned them down due to the same-level having much lower scope than at FB (just look at how many directors and vp's google has)
    Sep 10, 2017 0
  • Oracle / Eng ayoyoyo
    Keep in mind at Goog you have to do your own laundry.
    Sep 9, 2017 4
    • WRKSHP / Eng 🌧️☔
      They have free laundry at fb but not Google?
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Oracle / Eng ayoyoyo
      Also free but no laundry person.
      Sep 10, 2017
    • WRKSHP / Eng 🌧️☔
      .... A person to do your laundry for you? 😯
      Sep 10, 2017
    • Oracle / Eng floki
      Yes, saving $3-4 a load is not a big deal. Saving time doing it yourself is a bigger deal.
      Sep 10, 2017
  • Google hgGb74
    L6 at Google is pretty high. No one at Google can easily reach L6. I have seen a lot of talented L5 senior engineers failed to get promoted to L6. I am actually impressed that someone outside got an offer as L6. It is not unusual that people who have 10+ years experience start from L5.
    Sep 10, 2017 1
    • Facebook xeXk82
      L6 was like god 10 yeas ago. These days Google's promo process has become pretty arbitrary. While there is a lot of talented engineers stuck at L5, I have seen a lot of people moving to L6 just by being in a good team for long enough.
      Sep 10, 2017
  • Facebook / Sales
    vQbm34

    Facebook Sales

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    vQbm34more
    Scope is a mirage. Max level unless they choke you with gsu grant
    Sep 10, 2017 0
  • Facebook / Eng johno
    15-20% of Googlers make it to 6. Same holds at FB. FB arguably promotes faster E4-E5, but that's really about it.
    Sep 10, 2017 0
  • Google / Eng ae521
    I wouldn't do it. Google sucks.
    Sep 10, 2017 1
  • Facebook / Sales
    vQbm34

    Facebook Sales

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    vQbm34more
    Screw them. Don't go down a level. Affects comp too much
    Sep 10, 2017 0
  • Facebook #5xxeng
    A director at google told me that zuck would be at best an e7 if he joined.
    4d 0
  • Facebook YkQC67
    I know couple of Google L6s who joined Facebook as E6. Anecdotal data, small sample set - but based on discussions with them, it appears that at 6+, FB & GOOG are equivalent. I'm not sure of the lower levels - I had equivalent T5/E5 offers from both while a friend had T4/E5.
    Sep 15, 2017 0
  • Facebook / IT
    Dbs1981

    Facebook IT

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    Dbs1981more
    Agreed , Fb is luring candidates with leveling . Compromising interview standards in few teams , 100% true. Hiring candidates by offering high level though candidates failed in 1 round of onsite interview , asking them to come back and giving one more chance .
    Sep 10, 2017 0
  • OP , still at FB , or moved over ?
    5d 0
  • Facebook / Eng johno
    Google matches comp at level, and after working a lot with E7 and E8 at Google, levels at Facebook are the same.
    Sep 10, 2017 0