Google vs Netflix vs Dropbox

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Aug 31, 2018 196 Comments

Dropbox: ~460k
Google: ~450k
Netflix: ~500k

Which one to pick, given work is pretty similar.
Netflix doesn't offer stock refreshers.

YoE: 12+
TC: 400+

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  • Dropbox / Eng 🍕&🥓&🍟
    Dropbox for the impact (smaller), Google to chill, Netflix to stay on your toes
    Aug 31, 2018 7
    • Dropbox / Eng 🍕&🥓&🍟
      Everybody knows you can't Netflix and chill at Netflix
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Uber / Eng
      [ 👈💼👉 ]

      Uber Eng

      PRE
      Google, Uber
      [ 👈💼👉 ]more
      This is right on!
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Dropbox cakie
      Go to Google
      Sep 2, 2018
    • Dropbox / Eng 🍕&🥓&🍟
      Traitor! 😀
      Sep 4, 2018
    • Dropbox / Eng
      fksoqn

      Dropbox Eng

      PRE
      Jane Street Capital
      fksoqnmore
      I joined recently from G, love it here.
      Sep 5, 2018
  • Uber / Eng
    sight

    Uber Eng

    PRE
    Facebook, Cisco
    sightmore
    We are experiencing the longest economic expansion in history. A correction is inevitable. Netflix (all cash) is likely the safest short term guarantee. If you intend to hold for 5-10 years, then Google would be a good bet. Dropbox may be profitable, but what is their story for future expansion?
    Sep 1, 2018 4
    • Facebook fsgxkr
      On a downturn Netflix will lay off first in the list.
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Salesforce Quitforce
      I disagree...in a downturn people get unemployed and stay home watching netflix and eating dominos...cost for content might drop as well because it'll be easier to hire staff to make content
      Sep 2, 2018
    • Uber / Eng
      sight

      Uber Eng

      PRE
      Facebook, Cisco
      sightmore
      Entertainment serves as a drug in a recession/depression. Keeps people from thinking about the real world.
      Sep 2, 2018
    • Staples rift
      Folks, it’s obvious that Dropbox has a skunkworks project that focuses on file/data storage within people’s own minds. No need for server space and the utility costs that come with it when the neurological capacity for one human, never mind billions of humans far exceeds anything currently in operation especially when you realize the amount of energy we generate in our own bodies. If they get it down to a cellular/DNA level then the capacity for scale is infinite lol
      Sep 3, 2018
  • Facebook coffee?
    Does Netflix have annual salary hikes? Or is getting competing offers the only way to get a hike?
    Sep 1, 2018 9
    • Facebook coffee?
      Interesting. Well done! Thanks for sharing.
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Netflix equipe
      How's it work at Facebook? Is it just up to your manager? Promotion boards like Google?
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Facebook coffee?
      No, it’s very different from Google.

      E3 to E4 is mostly up to the manager. E4 to E5 generally happens after you work closely with at least a few other teams, so multiple managers are aware of your work and can vouch for your promotion. E5 to E6 generally happens when you’re key enough to the org that multiple directors know of your work and are willing to support your promo decision. Beyond E6, I have no idea.
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Intel / Eng pleb
      What happens at Netflix in an economic downturn ? Do they adjust to lower pay ?
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Microsoft TomKeane
      Yes, because market will go down so does your pay
      Sep 2, 2018
  • Facebook FreeSibili
    Google will be super chill and structured. You’ll have geeks, nerds, and minimal jocks. Everything is algorithmic, documented, predictable. I didn’t get an exceeds one time because there could only be x per group. Bell curve sorta thing.

    Netflix is “minimal process” and passive aggressive. You won’t know if you are loved, hated, or tolerated... 360 reviews supposed to reveal anything you would need to know. I got GLOWING 360... I went from $350k to $450k first year, $600k third year, then fired 2 months later (right before new salary would have taken effect). Why? I can only guess ... I had more experience and better performance than my boss... and maybe he decided I was a threat. 0 checks and balances at Nflx. “Sports team” no harm no foul. Multiple people quit after I was canned (freaked them out). Looking at LinkedIn stats... 9000 former employees... 6000 current. They only had 2000 total employees about 4-5 years ago. Seems busted, no?

    Dropbox? No idea. Seems late to their game. Where will the product/company go?

    If you survive Netflix for 2-3 years... could be fun. If you are social, confident, and smart... you will figure it out. If you are nervous or tentative... or want long term stability... choose Google.
    Sep 1, 2018 7
    • Netflix / Eng LukeCage
      We don't fire people without feedback.

      Someone sounds salty.
      Sep 2, 2018
    • Apple / Eng Wayne8888
      Can you explain the feedback process a bit more?
      Sep 3, 2018
    • Facebook FreeSibili
      360 reviews are where your peers, subordinates, and superiors submit feedback. Then, your superiors get to read it. That’s it.. There was no “rating” or levels. My feedback was glowing positive. When I was fired, I was told my performance sucked. The same person who told me this had offered me a big raise, more responsibility a few months prior. Salty? Yes... the culture can be interpreted for unfair gain, and unfair loss. We once fired a guy because he worked too much. The story was “if he thinks he needs to work 12hrs a day, something is wrong. Let’s part ways now.” How do I like FB? The past few years have been pretty good. Things are reasonable and predictable. My manager doesn’t lie or deceive me, and I can switch teams if I feel like it.
      Sep 3, 2018
    • Oracle cOrn48
      Netflix 👎👎
      Sep 4, 2018
    • Netflix / Eng LukeCage
      Well, Netflix has been great to a lot of people.

      Go to Google where James Damore is celebrated despite being fired and see how that works for ya lol
      Sep 7, 2018
  • Google 500kSlave
    woah! Is that Dropbox IC5?
    Aug 31, 2018 8
    • Facebook rNke88
      Netflix gives 5% of the comp as stock options to everyone. So your difference increases to 75K.
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Apple / Eng cho Chang
      It’s probably dropbox IC4 right?
      Sep 1, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng ::;::;::
      @rNke88 read carefully how those stock options work. You still have to exercise them out of your pocket.
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Facebook rNke88
      Yes. But you get a lot more than you can buy in the open market. In the end if the stock price goes up by more than 40% you make a profit
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Intuit Hdjabsdh
      How so?
      Sep 1, 2018
  • IBM / Mgmt
    > FB

    IBM Mgmt

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    Hi!
    > FBmore
    Google, no brainer dude.... GOOGLE. Netfix or Dropbox could literally disappear tomorrow...
    Sep 1, 2018 7
    • Amazon / Mgmt
      Insomzonia

      Amazon Mgmt

      PRE
      stanfordalumni
      BIO
      i always revert BACK on the aforementioned same.
      Insomzoniamore
      Right. Okay.
      Sep 1, 2018
    • LinkedIn magaa
      They have contents
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Motorola / Eng House M.D.
      Netflix owns a fuck ton of content. What do you think they spent 6 billion on last year, and 8 billion on this year?
      Sep 2, 2018
    • New pezon
      Their spending scares me. Also exciting, but still pretty scary.
      Sep 5, 2018
    • New / Eng michalumni
      If Netflix went away how would people chill?
      Jan 24
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    • Airbnb avqx65
      Do you get to pick expiration date for the options? How does this all work?
      Sep 1, 2018
    • New / Eng RhpJ71
      What does 2 for 1 mean here? You buy $10K worth of stock and they give you $5K worth extra?
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Facebook rNke88
      @avqx65 All options have 10 year expiration
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Apple TIed14
      I cdf
      Sep 2, 2018
    • Netflix Flops
      Never trust people saying anything about Netflix, unless they are Netflix employees
      Sep 3, 2018
  • Google / Eng
    sergey

    Google Eng

    BIO
    Top Contributor or GTFO
    sergeymore
    Looks like L6.
    Aug 31, 2018 5
    • Cruise Automation SickMoFo
      Lol no, L5 and could even be L4
      Sep 1, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng az1
      Not really.
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Facebook coffee?
      Most likely L6 unless OP is including sign-on bonus in those figures.
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      COTN64

      Google Eng

      BIO
      5 years at GOOG. L3->L6. AMA.
      COTN64more
      Levels are not the same at all companies. That TC is in the L6 (Staff Software Engineer) range at Google.
      Sep 1, 2018
    • New / Eng
      500k

      New Eng

      BIO
      https://ShiftLeft.academy
      500kmore
      OP
      Yes, staff and doesn't include sign on
      Sep 1, 2018
  • Microsoft MSFT HR
    Google 100%. That 50k won’t make a difference to your happiness but less working hours will.
    Sep 1, 2018 0
  • Your current total comp is 400+. Would you really consider changing to a new job with 450k? Is that only a ~10% hike? Depending how much of your new comp comes from sign on ( one time payment ), do you see significant compensation growth with changing your job ?
    Sep 1, 2018 5
    • Did you consider not to change and present the options to current company. You may get a counter offer.
      Sep 1, 2018
    • New / Eng
      500k

      New Eng

      BIO
      https://ShiftLeft.academy
      500kmore
      OP
      Work is not interesting in my current place. Not happy with the direction. And don't see much growth.
      Sep 1, 2018
    • New / Eng
      500k

      New Eng

      BIO
      https://ShiftLeft.academy
      500kmore
      OP
      No sign on bonus
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Then more power to you. No need to stay. I would say the cliche and suggest to pick the place where you think you will be happy. When you were talking to the hiring managers, did you feel any red flags? Being too vague, portraying a work life balance that is not reasonable, did you feel any dishonesty? Which company did show you the most amount of love? One campany may have taken you out to lunch with the team and the vp may have talked to you about 45 minutes. Where other companies may have not shown any special interest. Where are you going to learn the most?
      Sep 1, 2018
    • As others mention, the total comp is very similar to each other. It is very difficult to judge what will happen to each stock. Needless to say, it is also surprising that these senior level offers do not have a sign on bonus. You will be fine whereever you end up with. Optimizing for total comp may not be the most important at this point. They are very similar. Try to engage as much as you can with the prospective people you are going to work with. Attempt to build an intuition and a gut feeling. Then follow it.
      Sep 1, 2018
  • WePay genuine
    What is TC?
    Sep 1, 2018 3
    • LexisNexis Risk Solutions IbOr36
      Total Compensation
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Uber / Eng
      sight

      Uber Eng

      PRE
      Facebook, Cisco
      sightmore
      Welcome to Blind.
      Sep 1, 2018
    • Netflix zuluUU
      or GTFO
      Sep 7, 2018
  • Airbnb Pygdv
    Google L5+ life is amazing in general. It’s like being tenured at a top university. You have job security, instant respect, and great WLB. Also, Google allows you to leave and come back at the same level.

    Meanwhile, an employee at Netflix is always a temporary worker. Even superstars can get managed out on a whim. A huge raise followed by being fired is shockingly common.

    I would go to Google, settle for a year or two, and then explore other companies. At that point, you might be able to get even higher offers. And even in the event that a new company fires you, you can always go back to Google.
    Sep 3, 2018 2
    • EverString oOmx75
      What does leave and come back at the same level mean? If you leave Google, you could come back without interviewing at the same level?
      Sep 6, 2018
    • Apple Gg56fh
      Yeah, do you not need to interview again to re-join google?
      Sep 8, 2018
  • Netflix Lalooo
    Netflix (obviously I am biased)

    On a serious note, go with something that you are passionate about. You are going to spend a lot of your awake time at work, so spend it on something you love. Team members, work, impact and comp (in this order) for me.
    Sep 1, 2018 3
    • LinkedIn Cateyes👀
      Your guys content is getting weak at best and I was a huge Netflix fan from day 1. I’m talking streaming through x box. Now it’s just another liberal outlet jamming their opinions down normal peoples throats.
      Sep 4, 2018
    • Netflix Lalooo
      Thanks for the feedback! Anything in particular that we can do to get you to be huge back again?
      Sep 4, 2018
    • Amazon _grain
      What liberal content is even on Netflix? What hurt your feelings so much?
      Sep 5, 2018
  • Google vai
    I work at Google and love my work here. But I think Google's team matching system can be annoying for the first time Googler. I would say if you know which team you're joining already and like it, Google is a good choice.
    Sep 1, 2018 0
  • Microsoft MsftZune
    MSFT duh
    Sep 1, 2018 0
  • Facebook proll
    Dropbox stock might not do well.
    Sep 1, 2018 8
    • Airbnb Ande
      If Google/Amazon/Microsoft really invests in this space to provide a comparable product they can easily kill Dropbox. Thus far Dropbox is still the best by a longshot.
      Sep 2, 2018
    • Facebook Poswcoiner
      Just like google can focus on a social network and compete with Facebook? A lot of customers will retain long term since there needs to be a big reason to migrate data and take on risks associated with that
      Sep 2, 2018
    • Facebook Poswcoiner
      But cost of space is going down and for new customers this will likely be a challenge but the value add Dropbox offers through software on top is a difference maker and will be going forward
      Sep 2, 2018
    • Facebook Poswcoiner
      I don’t own the stock and am not sure if it will go up or down but I wouldn’t personally bet on them going way up or down
      Sep 2, 2018
    • Airbnb Ande
      Storage is already a commodity and dropbox’s attempts to add value on top have largely been flops
      Sep 2, 2018
  • Lending Club / Eng be kind :)
    First of all, congratulations! It's a great problem to have :-)
    Depends on the team you like. But in general if you are getting good teams in all 3, I would suggest go for Google for these reasons:
    1. Better work life balance.
    2. Better stability along with growth.
    3. Variety of work/teams to choose from internally if you are bored after a few years.
    4. Exposure to vast pool of technologies.
    5. Culture and perks.
    Sep 2, 2018 0
  • Netflix / Eng ricewater
    If you want to retire early, join Netflix and put your salary in option. You can thank me later 5 years from now when you retire.
    Sep 1, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng
    COTN64

    Google Eng

    BIO
    5 years at GOOG. L3->L6. AMA.
    COTN64more
    To me it'd come down to factors like commute time relative to where you live, and the specific team/hiring manager.

    If I were in your shoes I'd tell Google I want to move to Seattle. They'll drop the pay ~10% but you'll save 15% in taxes and 30-40% on house price. I'd love to work at Netflix but they're Bay Area only.
    Sep 1, 2018 0
  • Breathometer / Eng 27savage
    Damn you guys make too much money
    Sep 1, 2018 2
    • Lazard fin/tech
      these folks literally live in a different dimension when compared to normal, every day software engineers at normal companies
      Sep 2, 2018
    • Breathometer / Eng 27savage
      Seriously. Btw do you work with John graham?
      Sep 2, 2018

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