Grad School Enrollment US

ON Semiconductor / Eng chip_monk
Jun 1 14 Comments

Why are there very few Americans in grad school in tech programs when there are a lot of high paying jobs requiring MS and PHDs like Hardware, Software, AI, ML, Datascience, Analytics, etc. ??

In grad school, 95 percent of my course mates were foreign students. 70% of faculty in CS and Engineering all foreigners.

What’s the deal. ?

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  • Amazon Northman
    Why would an American go to a masters program? Unless they studied a non-STEM subject as an undergrad and want to be on par with CS undergrads. Masters programs (in CS) are all basically just visa factories. And if you were interested enough and smart enough you already took the relevant courses as an undergrad. You can get the same jobs either way. A PhD is a different thing, but with so much money to be made with just an undergrad, the only reason to do one is passion for research. As opposed to E1B greencard path for immigrants.
    Jun 1 6
    • Amazon Northman
      Not really. At least not in my experience. Hiring managers just see those masters degrees as an immigration tax.
      Jun 1
    • Google SaintSaëns
      Is it not easier to land a job with a PhD compared to an MS?
      Jun 1
    • Amazon Northman
      Only certain jobs, I.e. Research Scientist, Applied Scientist roles in FAANG. Even then, these are usually only on the table if you published strong and did well and focused on high demand areas in a PhD (deep learning, NLP, CV, etc.).
      Jun 1
    • Google SaintSaëns
      That was a rhetorical question in response to the first reply.
      Jun 1
    • Amazon Northman
      Rhetorical tags missing, parsing failed.
      Jun 1
  • New / Data OfferUp
    You can get the high paying jobs even with just bachelors degree
    Jun 1 0
  • OpenTable Meliodas
    Because Americans don’t need the degree to get a high paying job in the space. Whereas foreigners need the degree to get a work permit.

    Universities also benefit by raising tuition for those degrees to subsidize other programs. The higher opportunity cost makes an advanced degree even less attractive to Americans.
    Jun 1 2
    • ON Semiconductor / Eng chip_monk
      OP
      Oh I see. So if foreign students suddenly stopped coming to US for grad school. The colleges wouldn’t have enough grad students?
      Jun 1
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Programs would scale back, yes.
      Jun 1
  • New
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    Grad Schools sell Visa.
    Jun 1 0
  • Microsoft MSFTBRO
    Shit’s expensive yo
    Jun 1 0
  • New / R&D BigButfl🧠
    Don't they make more money on foreign students?
    Jun 1 0