Holy fuck another day another shooting

Microsoft MSFTBRO
May 31 169 Comments

Kinda getting tired of these, can we fucking ban guns?

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  • Facebook thorsten55
    You think countries without legal guns don't have fired workers going postal?

    EDIT: if this asshole burned the place down instead, what would you be trying to ban?
    May 31 50
    • Facebook thorsten55
      USA Today, April 2019: Britain's 'pervasive horror of knife crime' reaches record for number of stabbing homicides

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/04/27/knife-crime-britain-wales-national-emergency-record-stabbing-homicides/3470942002/

      Knife-related homicides took 285 lives in England and Wales from March 2017 to March 2018 – a record since data collection began in 1946. The data from the Office for National Statistics doesn't include Northern Ireland and Scotland.

      Unlike the USA, where guns are tied to many deaths, only 4% of homicides here last year were from shootings; 39% were from "sharp instruments," the top weapon.

      Police leaders, youth workers and victims' families called for action over what Prime Minister Theresa May described as a public health emergency and a "cancer" affecting British society: violence by its youth.
      Jun 2
    • Facebook thorsten55
      Are you done now?

      You're debating people who care a lot more about the topic than you do and have done a lot more research.

      The facts and numbers just don't support your side. But it's not about facts and figures, it's about your gut feeling of "just make the dangerous things go away". If you want to live in a free society you'll have to get used to feeling uncomfortable occasionally and having slightly more risk than living in a restricted society. It's the price of freedom.
      Jun 2
    • Microsoft idknbd
      But there are FAR FEWER homicides per capita from any cause in the UK. The facts aren't on your side and you haven't done more research on this topic.
      Jun 3
    • Facebook thorsten55
      You said places don't have a lot of knife crime. I showed you that UK has a lot of knife crime. The UK thinks the UK has a lot of knife crime.

      Are you actually saying that the availability of legal guns for law abiding citizens CREATES crime that otherwise would not have happened?
      Jun 3
    • Microsoft idknbd
      That actually isn't a lot of knife crime at all compared to the population size. Fail. And yes, that is precisely what I am saying. And so are the academics who, you know, actually study this topic.
      Jun 3
    • Facebook thorsten55
      Great, link me to these academics.
      I'm very skeptical since UK had little crime even before they banned guns and NH and Switzerland are peaceful with a lot of guns.
      But hey I'll give your link a read maybe I learn something new.

      You are actually going to back it up right?
      Jun 3
    • Microsoft idknbd
      Have you backed up any of your claims?
      Jun 3
    • Facebook thorsten55
      I see links (USA today) and pointers to sources (CDC) in my comments. And an angry internet trash can in yours
      Jun 3
    • Microsoft idknbd
      Funny how none of your links or sources support your view. Perhaps you misinterpreted them? Probably willingly.
      Jun 3
    • F5 Networks bhai-log
      Leave it guys. Not worth fighting over.
      Jun 3
  • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
    Shooting is already banned.
    How did it work?
    May 31 27
    • New FEiV01
      For a bunch of fact based people I have not seen a single source in this thread. Son I am disappoint
      Jun 1
    • New
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      lol... anti gun people: where are your facts? gun people: where are your facts? everybody: drk drr
      Jun 1
    • Microsoft idknbd
      I have lived the vast majority of my life away from the coast, and even today I prefer living in a more blue collar neighborhood in Seattle. I'm not the one out of touch here.
      Jun 1
    • Google Naxnax
      You're out of touch in the sense that you think its even possible to ban and collect all guns here.

      Even more out of touch for thinking crime will go down if guns are banned
      Jun 1
    • Microsoft idknbd
      LOL nobody said it was possible to collect every single gun and nobody said crime would necessarily go down as a result. Is there a BOGO sale at the straw man store today?
      Jun 1
    • Google Naxnax
      Well if you can't do both then there's no point, mr Microsoft
      Jun 1
    • Microsoft idknbd
      wrong. Sad, stupid argument.
      Jun 1
    • Google Naxnax
      Us gun owners will not give up another inch
      Jun 1
    • Microsoft idknbd
      You will lose badly
      Jun 1
    • Google Naxnax
      I doubt that. Every government is going right wing across the globe.
      Jun 1
  • New QIqk53
    Why don't you people move to another country if you hate America and freedom so much? Inanimate objects and the ability for americans to exercise their rights are not the problem.
    May 31 6
    • Microsoft MSFTBRO
      OP
      🖕🏼
      May 31
    • Microsoft idknbd
      the data suggests you are wrong. But you don't care about that, do you?
      May 31
    • Amazon I5swfi
      Inanimate objects and the 2nd amendment may not be the problem, but I guess you could say people like you and the NRA are.
      May 31
    • LinkedIn cd-
      US is the only country where owning firearms is a right and not a privilege.

      Funny how that right wasn’t in the original text and has to come from an amendment. We can introduce another amendment to take it away.
      May 31
    • TripAdvisor when2Inter
      @Qlqk53
      Let‘s see if you feel the same way after your kids get shot in school

      There‘s always a dimwitted lack of empathy for those in the "it‘ll never happen to me" category
      Jun 1
    • New FEiV01
      This is such an awful argument, people who favor gun control are not anti freedom and they don't hate America. That's like me saying that because you support gun ownership that you are in favor of owning tanks and driving them through the street.
      Jun 1
  • Microsoft KyJeLlY
    Guns don't need to be banned, but who can buy guns needs to be more regulated. Should be harder than a 5 minute form and 30 second background check to buy a gun. I walked out of the store with my handgun within 20 mins, and out of that I spent 5 mins looking for a cleaning kit. Even as a gun enthusiast I'm shocked by how easy it is to purchase one.
    May 31 17
    • Microsoft KyJeLlY
      Yeah lawful citizens killing tens of people at a time is totally engaging in lawful activity?!?! Do you realize how fucking stupid you sound?

      California can continue to have strict regulation if they want, but most states have far less regulations. My plan above was for those states.

      How is California infringing on your rights? I'd fucking love to hear this bat shit crazy mental gymnastics

      My plan also won't stop killings 100% but it will at least slow down some. There was a bust at Dallas mall by the FBI last year where a kid was caught by an undercover cop online. Kid was planning on killing people at the Dallas mall but needed to wait until he was 18 to purchase guns. Only reason why Dallas didn't see a mass shooting is a simple age regulation. This PROVES that regulation can save lives. Get bent with your bullshit "muhhh rightssss thaaaaw pauuuul"
      May 31
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      California infringes when it conducts a background check, knows the citizen isn’t a criminal, yet continues to deprive the citizen of their right for nine more days.

      If someone already owns a gun, what legitimate purpose is served by making them wait ten days when the state knows they are not a criminal?
      May 31
    • Microsoft KyJeLlY
      The rules aren't made for the good guys. If everyone was a good guy, we wouldn't need rules. There is no right that says you can buy a gun immediately. There is simply a right to own one, and buy one. You aren't being deprived of either. What could it possibly be that a good person would need to buy a gun so urgently/immediately?

      The legitimate purpose is to prevent crimes of passion. This is the single best deterrent from someone bat shit crazy on bath salts or after a breakup or after a loss or after losing a job from going and acquiring a gun and shooting up a public space.

      The legitimate purpose is that the state gets another chance to confirm that this person hasn't gone crazy since the last time they purchased a gun. If you have ever been around someone who is depressed or prone to self harm, their therapist will often recommend that all weapons be hidden in a safe place away from them. These people are vulnerable to suicide. Yes you can commit suicide other ways, but people with such illnesses often plan this out in their head. Planning a suicide is a key indicator of depression. They often also plan out how their family or friends or whoever will find their body. Their thoughts are every intruding lull in their darkest space. They don't go away and execution to the letter is key.

      You're forgetting the purpose of these laws aren't prohibitive, they're preventative. Nobody is trying to ban your guns, they are merely trying to prevent bad guys from harming others.
      May 31
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      The purpose is punitive. The state has stated in court that the law isn’t about preventing crimes of passion.

      Are you also in favor of waiting periods on other enumerated rights? A 10-day wait on free speech, church attendance, due process, etc.?

      And, yes people are trying to ban guns. Look at all the restrictions in California, handgun roster, prohibitions on common firearms, the list goes on and on.

      There are less restrictive means available to the states, but that isn’t the goal of the gun grabbers.
      May 31
    • Microsoft KyJeLlY
      Okay sure OpenTable, let's not change a single thing about guns in America. The thoughts and prayers should do it.

      People like you are the scum that hold America back. I only hope that your kid doesn't get shot to death in school one day while he's minding his own business. But alas, they'll always receive my thoughts and prayers if something terrible does happen.
      Jun 1
    • That "scum" are the sorts of people who hold the line on rights because they realize that once you start giving inches on one, the rest become negotiable and people take miles.

      The slippery slope isn't a fallacy but a well proven model.
      Jun 1
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Go ahead, call me scum. This is the problem with you gun grabbers, you want to infringe upon rights, but resort to hyperbole and lies to justify your reasons.

      No one is saying don’t change any gun laws. That is your straw man, because you lack a substantive argument.

      Go ahead and change laws in a lawful way that doesn’t infringe upon an enumerated right.

      It makes no sense and is a deprivation of due process for the government to deprive someone of a right when the government knows that the person is not a criminal.

      If you truly care about saving lives, where is your outrage at the lack of enforcement of existing gun laws that take guns away from actual criminals? For example, California, alone, has a backlog of 20,000+ criminals the state hasn’t gotten around to taking guns away from. The federal government has tens of thousands of people commit felonies every year by lying on their background check forms, yet no enforcement.

      When gun grabbers say they care about “just saving lives,” we don’t believe them when they only focus on infringement over enforcement.
      Jun 1
    • Microsoft KyJeLlY
      Lol "gun grabber" you are a silly little fuck aren't you. I'm a gun owner like I said here before. I'm simply advocating for more regulation. Nobody is taking away your guns you lunatic?!

      I see that you have a very easy time repeating brietbart (gun grabber) but you have not once even suggested how to fix this obvious problem we're having. No reasonable person would oppose modest regulation like I suggested before.

      Don't tell me that in taking away your rights because I want regulation. Applying your flawed logic uniformly, there should be no chance for a defamation lawsuit at all. People would never be able to sue for child support either. Get out of here with your ultra right wing nonsense. Jesus
      Jun 1
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Enforcement is the obvious solution, not infringement.

      All your trite “solutions” have already been tried in California to no measurable effect other than turning otherwise lawful citizens into criminals.

      Educate yourself on the issue rather than being a pawn for the gun grabbers.
      Jun 1
    • "You have not once even suggested how to fix"

      Someone has poor reading skills.
      Jun 1
  • Oracle not_larry
    Thoughts and prayers.
    May 31 2
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      Company checks out.
      May 31
    • Oracle gasket
      Yep that fixes it
      May 31
  • LinkedIn youNme
    Put a GPS on every gun. When fired, log the location, owner, time. Doesn't block anyone's right to own and use guns.
    May 31 14
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      uedC03

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      That defeats the purpose of your right to bare arms. It is meant to kill, and more specifically to fight against malicous government. You can say its only for when the gun is fired but a gps device is a gps device.
      May 31
    • Microsoft KyJeLlY
      That's not how a GPS works. GPS satellites broadcast only, they do not receive. A GPS device triangulates it's position by calculating it's distance from at least 3 satellites. Then, it transmits the location via the cellular network.

      All of this costs electricity and connection charges. I'd never charge the "battery in my gun" to not worry about this silly device.
      May 31
    • LinkedIn youNme
      Oh I see. With our hand guns, we are going to overthrow a government with nukes, satellites, f35s, biological weapons, and who knows what else. The law is outdated. You want to have the power to over throw the government, ask for the right to buy bigger guns, and see how that will go. You testosterone loaded boys need to get your heads out of 200 year old history books.
      May 31
    • LinkedIn youNme
      I know how a GPS works. I carry one in my purse and another in my car. The gun can be designed to create a short burst of electricity from the bullet being fired, just as it forces the next bullet in the chamber. That would be enough to send a GPS signal.
      May 31
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Satellites send GPS signals. Things on the ground receive them.

      From a cold start, it takes 10-30 seconds to get a GPS fix.

      GPS doesn’t work indoors or where line-of-sight to multiple satellites is blocked.

      You would still need a way to send the location to something. Is that network free?

      Your proposed solution is impractical for a number of technical reasons.
      May 31
    • New
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      youNme history provides us lessons for the future. I am sorry you can't see that.
      May 31
    • Microsoft KyJeLlY
      youName, honey, GPS triangulation is not quick by any means. For the gun's receiver to get a lock it would take at least 5-10 seconds by that time, you'd be out of power. A single bullet fires in a fraction of a second. A Dynamo wouldn't work even if it was the length of the entire barrel.

      Plus, you'll be happy to know, that there are far more EFFECTIVE methods at triangulating gun shots. Many many cities, including San Fran, have gunshot listeners. These devices listen for gunshots and then triangulate the location based on multiple receivers capturing the sound and calculating the time it took for the sound to reach each listener. These are hidden in completely plain sight. You'd never even notice them unless someone pointed it out to you
      May 31
    • Microsoft KyJeLlY
      @uedC03 she provides nothing, I explained above.
      May 31
    • Facebook thorsten55
      This is the dumbest suggestion yet. What if the criminal removed the GPS the way that people remove an parole monitoring ankle bracelet. And what would you gain from GPS information in this case that people who called 911 didn't already provide. You gotta be trolling
      May 31
    • Yahoo / Eng DYQr00
      As if psycho shooter gives a shit
      Jun 1
  • New
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    Yes, while we're at it we can ban the rest of our rights.
    May 31 0
  • Facebook thorsten55
    If this asshole burned the place down instead, what would you be trying to ban
    May 31 2
  • Amazon / Eng scoops34
    Don't forget to ban pipebombs and knives too, dumbass
    May 31 3
    • Oracle gasket
      Yeah I'm sure the Las Vegas shooter would have caused that much damage with a knife.
      May 31
    • Amazon / Eng scoops34
      You're right.
      I have no idea why these guys always go for guns. The Boston bomber clearly had the right idea.
      May 31
    • Oracle gasket
      Yep lets legalise bombs. Why stop there. Lets arm every man woman and dog in this country with nukes because laws don't work.
      May 31
  • Apple / Eng kGUv48
    We need tougher gun control laws. Obviously you can’t make them too tough or the good guys won’t be able to overthrow the government occasionally. But they should be tough on the bad guys that just want to kill because they are angry or don’t like someone
    May 31 2
    • Microsoft KyJeLlY
      Dick's doesn't sell assault weapons anymore. I purchased a handgun. I also purchased mine 3 years ago, before the worst shootings.

      I think there should be a medical eval requirement, a requirement to go through an extensive background check, a waiting period (of 1 day), and finally a limit of 1 gun (handgun and rifles combined) per day.

      You can skip the background check before each gun if you have a concealed carry permit (for me, it required a gun safety course and fingerprinting; but should also require a visit with the local judge or sheriff's office). You should never be able to purchase more than 1 per day or skip the waiting period.

      What I outlined here has extremely low barrier to access in a responsible way. There are minimal financial barriers save for the enhanced background check. The cost of the background check can be funded by a marginal tax on gun purchases if lawmakers wanted.

      I don't believe any true American would or should oppose these rules. They're not coo coo like the NRA would have you think, nor are they unreasonable.
      May 31
    • Intuit / Other qsXg72
      They can't ban hard drugs in a maximum security prison. Laws don't and have never stopped people. Proper regulation /taxation and enforcement works best.

      Laws don't frame my or likely your actions. My own morality does.
      May 31
  • OpenTable Meliodas
    Guns won’t get banned without changing the constitution.

    The right to keep and bear arms is an enumerated right.
    May 31 1
    • Microsoft idknbd
      yes, we should change it
      May 31
  • New FEiV01
    I really can't believe this thread. We are data driven people and I have not seen a single piece of data yet.

    To the pro gun folks, where do you draw the line for "too much freedom?" Can I buy a fully automatic ar15 with every attachment possible? Can I make napalm at home? Can I bear nuclear weapons? Attack drones? It is "right to bear arms" and not "right to own a gun," so shouldn't that total freedom logic extend to *all* arms?

    Help me understand because most people I know are staunchly anti gun and your arguments are confusing me. Not trying to be an asshole, actually curious.

    I wonder too about why these people choose guns specifically. Is there additional satisfaction to shooting someone? I feel like you'd do way more damage with an explosive like Tannerite, which is totally legal to buy
    Jun 1 6
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      The line is drawn at, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

      When the government wants to restrict an enumerated right, the restriction must survive strict scrutiny.

      In American constitutional law, strict scrutiny is the highest and most stringent standard of judicial review, and results in a judge striking down a law unless the government can demonstrate in court that a law or regulation: one, is necessary to a "compelling state interest"; two, that the law is "narrowly tailored" to achieving this compelling purpose; and three, that the law uses the "least restrictive means" to achieve the purpose.

      Most gun laws fail this standard. They are overly broad and only serve to infringe upon the rights of lawful citizens engaged in lawful activity.

      As to your specific questions, that could have been easily answered with a little bit of research (your questions are asked all the time by the disingenuous anti-gun crowd):

      Yes, you can buy a fully automatic weapon. It is currently legal to do so today in every state with the right permits and justifications. Expect to spend $10K+ USD for it.

      Napalm is not an arm. Nuclear weapons are not arms.

      Attack drones would be fine, citizens used to own battleships and can currently own tanks.

      It is the right to “keep and bear arms.” The logic does extend to all arms. That is why the anti-taser and knife laws get struck down.

      People choose guns for a variety of reasons, including that they are easy and convenient. Why do people choose laser printers over hand copying? The same reasoning generally applies when exercising any right.
      Jun 1
    • Facebook thorsten55
      Nice response OpenTable.

      I'd also point out the person you're replying to is pretty low-information. He needs to Google tannerite
      Jun 1
    • New FEiV01
      Hey OpenTable I am really thankful for such a well written and thought out response. We don't get to have discussions anymore, just shouting matches. When I am at a computer and have time to Google and grab sources, I will respond to this and hopefully we can *actually talk* about something.
      Jun 3
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      No it's NOT legal in every state to buy full automatic.
      At least in CA you can not own full automatic.
      In other states you can with license and the full auto guns are 20k+ each.
      Jun 3
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Machine gun ownership in California is possible, one just needs the right business justification, rather than a self-defense justification. Which is why I qualified my answer.

      https://gunlaw.com/faq
      Jun 3
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      It'a as true as "you can get CCW in bayarea. you just need to bribe (donate in American English) sheriff 50k"
      Jun 3
  • Microsoft doozie
    Fuckin sucks.. think about this.. this is soo american a problem. First you raise a generation here with no sort of control. Drugs and all sorts of crap r made readily accessible to them. Second you dont fuckin educate them. No on cares about it...the fuckin system makes it expensive..Third, this generation grow up with no sense of purpose and with all sorts mental issues and with easy access to guns..

    The heights of fear mongering propoganda in this country make people believe that someone is always out there to get them and guns are the only way to protect themselves.

    Its sad. Guns arent going anywhere.. The gun lobby here is too powerful to let politicians make any changes.
    Jun 1 4
    • Facebook thorsten55
      You can leave.

      If you can't mentally cope with the fact that some small number of people in a nation of 330 million will abuse their freedom, you can find a nice collectivist society where the political class centralizes all power and decides what you can say, hear, believe, worship and ultimately think. Hell they'll tell you where to work, who to date marry and f*ck too.

      America isn't for everyone.
      Jun 1
    • Microsoft MSFTBRO
      OP
      Hey this guy thinks US isnt controlled by rich people. 😆
      Jun 1
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Guns aren’t going anywhere because the right to keep and bear arms is an enumerated right. The gun lobby represents citizens that wish to preserve that right.

      It’s no different than not being able to enact speech or religion control.
      Jun 1
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      You had no problem with the junk people being raised but only problem is guns do exist?
      Jun 3
  • Zillow Group Yes/No
    This is America
    May 31 0
  • Uber bobaboi
    What happened
    May 31 2
    • Oracle gasket
      Nothing serious. Business as usual in America.
      May 31
    • Uber bobaboi
      That didn’t answer my question
      May 31
  • Microsoft
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    One side of me: "Damn that's awful"

    Asshole side: "Gun ban talk is back. Sales are gonna go up. Time to invest in RGR or OLN"
    May 31 0
  • New / IT xizX84j
    1. Where are your.thoughts and prayers? America's trade mark way of solving this
    2. TC
    3. Just add a 30 day wait period to buy any gun. That would go a long way.
    May 31 0
  • New cbbu61
    Fuck all of these complainers. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. We need them ARs in case shit hits the fan. For protection. And freedom.
    Jun 1 5
    • Microsoft doozie
      People kill people... but guns make that job much easier.. freedom and protection from whom?
      Jun 1
    • Microsoft doozie
      Dont get me wrong.. i am american but i dont think i need protection from anyone to the extent it is made to believe. Sure there are assholes out there who will try to rob you or kill you..and your argument of people kill people is true.. but i would rather face someone with a knife rather than someone with a gun!
      Jun 1
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      Then don’t buy one. No can force you to exercise a right.

      Using the gun grabbers’ numbers, guns are used defensively 100K - 400K per year in the U.S.. Obviously, there is benefit to some people.
      Jun 1
    • Uber / Eng mH7bSe
      I would rather face someone with a knife with a gun in my own hand.
      Jun 3
    • New cbbu61
      Pretty much every one of the respondents is a blundering re.tard.
      Jun 3
  • Amazon / Eng
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    ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
    Jun 1 2
    • New
      uedC03

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      who said that?
      Jun 1
    • Oracle not_larry
      The straw man in Amazon’s mind
      Jun 1
  • Amazon I5swfi
    Has anyone in this thread started complaining about OP trying to use a tragic event to stir some political agenda yet? You know. The NRA's script to deal with such heresy.
    May 31 1
    • OpenTable Meliodas
      First a gun grabber has to propose a restriction that wouldn’t have prevented this shooting, then someone will make that comment.
      Jun 1
  • Oracle Delios
    While we are at it, let’s ban drug dealing too
    May 31 0
  • Facebook tGTv63
    I googled for USA, America and United States of America.
    It's not even in the first page of news.
    That should tell us how common it has become. Sad
    May 31 0
  • New hbWr06
    Working on a solution for this - Coming soon.
    Jun 1 0
  • Accenture bindok
    My heart goes out to the victims
    May 31 0
  • Microsoft / Eng
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    It’s all about the trade offs
    May 31 0

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