How does Canada compare to USA for Indians?
I am never gonna get a GC in this country, thanks to the immigration rules here. How does Canada compare to USA for software engineers ?
You would save more money by moving back to India rather than Canada, also have way more opportunities and better weather
Couldn't agree more. India is where the action is these days. Third highest number of unicorns after US and China, exciting tech ecosystem and sky high salaries after considering purchasing power parity. I know many Indians may have reasons for not returning, but otherwise it's a pretty compelling choice.
Way better quality of life in Canada than India. Plus India has a very primitive culture where money and caste matters the most i even in many marriages.
Multiculturally, I've heard that Canada is considered a "mosaic" (diversity welcome) whereas the US is a "melting pot" (assimilation encouraged)
Lived in Canada and US and I completely agree with this. Immigrants live their culture in Canada whereas in America conforms to American culture.
After taxes, you will get peanuts in Canada. India is much better even from saving perspectives, let alone career opportunities. Canada is good/decent for non-tech companies
Canada : Bad weather but great life. Yes taxes are huge but government tries to take care of you. You won’t have to pay insane money for health. Schools are free and almost everyone opts for public schools. The most important part is that they don’t have enough people so every life counts
Growing up as a minority in Canada felt much better than living in the US. Software engineering seems like the same except less cool companies and less money.
TLDR : less pay , nicer people , brutal weather, more security in Canada Hey Op, I empathise with you . Being someone like you in the same boat two years back and successful making the move , I will reason with you . Disclaimer : I am a desi , followed the usual IIT/NIT/ REC path for engineering -> MS in US -> high tech job . You have every right to criticise and this is an absolute privilege when compared to India ( read about the curtailed freedom of speeches for pro Pakistani Kashmiri and pro Dalits urban maoists ) Coming to your statement of “young Indians have zero chance of getting GC” is true only for EB1 / EB2 / EB3 . There are other avenues open such as EB4 / EB5 / Marriage to USC ,GC / Refugee . Just because you aren’t willing to change to circumstances , the world is not change to fit to for you . But again you have the full right to criticise about the world not ready to change . Can you criticise ? Yes Is your criticism valid ? I wouldn’t think so. The United States has been clear since 1965 about their per country quota limits , the state department release every quarter how many student visas were approved per country . The USCIS releases bi yearly amount of H1B and GC filed . It was easy to estimate how long the queue will be ( USCIS only released the wait list details in August 2018 , but hey we are not looking for pointer precision) . The question is why would you want to go through this knowing the queue will never fix . Because the benefits / salary seemed very nice at the moment . Now you want more , but EB2 / EB3 is simply not going to get you there. I would say cut your losses and seek the end goal . If it’s stable life without visa headaches , move to Canada , if you want a great lifestyle, stay in the US but other things won’t follow .I for myself will claim ignorance and paid dearly wasting 2 years of my life before moving to Canada . Coming to your point of other countries having it better. Many people from other countries don’t want to pursue CS because of a variety of things high tuition cost , limited universities .. etc . Things which we dint have a problem in India . ( People join the army not able to afford tuition hoping to get Veteran benefits — That’s how bad it is ) . You are removing one aspect of life ( place of birth ) and comparing it yours , it simply will never be simple like that . Appreciate the struggles others go through and make peace ( of course they are outliars - if you were Mukesh Ambani’s son , you wouldn’t be complaining would you) Coming to main question of Canada I took half a pay cut ( my salary at msft Remond was not anywhere near what I see in Blind) . The weather is brutal . People are super nice in Vancouver . My priority in life was to have a power which would allow me to walk out of a bad job and not think of any other consequences ( which PR gave me) . My advice , Asses the conditions , pick your priorities and make peace with it ( without criticising )
What is wrong with people like you ? Why is it a sin to say that America ‘s immigration system isn’t great for Indians ? That’s the harsh truth people like you don’t want to hear. Why people want to make it a taboo like sex ? Yes, I should be greatful for things I have, yes there are other people living worse life than me. But at the end of the day the above fact remains fact. Comparison has no end, comparing me with the state of Pakistan and telling that my freedom of speech is absolute privilege is BS. I can apply the same logic and tell that “you are privileged to be alive” compared to people in Middle East. Wouldn’t that make sense too? I am not blaming anyone or demanding anything, I am just stating the reason due to which I am looking at other options. Why you guys take it so personally . Even the politicians of this country say “our immigration system is broken “ including Trump, though they might not be referring to the Indians’ problem. So if they say that it’s okay, and if an immigrant says the same thing it’s a sin ? That’s crazy, sees how biased some people are towards immigrants. And it’s sad to see fellow immigrants like you behave the same way.
And yeah Canadian people are indeed nicer, they provided helpful comments here, instead of rebuking me for saying that “US’s immigration system isn’t perfect “. You should probably learn something from them. What you expect me to say? Just post “I am looking to move out of US” and hide the reason why I am doing that, because it’s related to US immigration system ?
Thanks to immigration rules, there is an equal chance to other nations to get a GC
I don’t think your statement “there is an equal chance to other nations to get GC” is correct. You can say “other countries aren’t affected “, but telling “equal chance “ is plain wrong. Young Indians have 0 chance of getting GC. India’s GC queue is filled with fraudulent applications from body shop companies. The law doesn’t care about that, the only Indians going to get GC are the ones who filled before 2010, who will be in their 40s/50s by the time they get GC. Great system isn’t it?
Yes it is great because this country doesn't owe you anything. It's a privilege not a right. This country is on its way to closing the doors. People are pissed about body shop news in general and how the media portrays illegal immigration