If citizenship question is asked on 2020 USA census, how will they verify? Anyone can claim to be a citizen.

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  • It is illegal to claim to be a US citizen when you are not and if discovered can be bad. No sane person should lie about that on an official document.
    Jul 6 0
  • Amazon i9zlo3
    The goal of the question was laid bare recently: determining citizen voting-age population to redistrict for Republican benefit.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/05/trump-just-admitted-something-he-probably-shouldnt-have-about-census-citizenship-question/
    Jul 6 4
    • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
      Of course this is what it’s for. Democrats are over represented because illegals are counted in the citizenry which happens to be blue cities and states. Representation is based on the citizenry which illegals don’t qualify as so ultimate red states and red districts will benefit as representatives will redistributed from states with sanctuary cities as should be the case. It’s the whole reason Dems encourage illegal immigration and sanctuary cities so they can steal representation in the House.
      Jul 6
    • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
      @Meliodas as usual you’re wrong.
      Jul 7
    • Amazon i9zlo3
      @VmQQ44 is probably misguided by MAGA propaganda. Representation is based on population, not citizenry.

      In 1964, the Wesberry v. Sanders decision held that, “as nearly as is practicable one person’s vote in a congressional election is to be worth as much as another’s.” That same year, in Reynolds v. Sims, the Court ruled that state legislative districts must be “as nearly of equal population as is practicable.” (https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2010/dec/strength-in-numbers-2010.html)

      It's overall population that drives district sizes today, and you're lumping in legal immigrants with undocumented ones, when advocating representation based on citizenship.

      Wingnuts are trying to change the law to their benefit, and using this as a tool to do so. It won't work, ultimately.

      Also you misspelled encourage.
      Jul 7
    • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
      Still nope. This is the problem with Dems and why they’ll lose 2020 because they’re disenfranchising US citizens in favor of illegals.
      Jul 7
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    • New / Eng QTdN03
      Really curious to know what those methods are.
      Jul 6
    • Bayer L6@AWS
      IRS and Localities/States has all citizenship information because of tax filings linked to your SSN and Address. They just need to cross-reference current census information and tax filings. The rabbit hole keeps going based on social engineering, etc but you get the general direction.

      Not our fault that the true reason they want to put the question in the census is political.

      If they truly wanted the information there are way better ways to get this.
      Jul 6
    • New / Eng QTdN03
      So, how does IRS data help for the millions without a SSN who don’t file taxes, and how can we get states that aren’t willing to follow immigration law to provide such information?
      Jul 6
    • Bayer L6@AWS
      There are already agreements in place between the IRS and the localities/states to share information.

      Well every citizen has been given a SSN at some point in there life. To say that someone can go their entire life without ever getting a SSN or filing taxes in almost next to impossible. But yes that is an important false positive to catch for.

      It’s the absence of matches is what you would be looking for. That is where you will find either your positive matches or false positives. Then you work to eliminate false positives as best as possible.

      Would probably get you within ~80-90% accuracy. Is it 100%? No, but it is not supposed to be. We are not a surveillance state.

      For the sake of completeness and to go down the rabbit hole. You then could cross-check this with the last X number of past tax returns (cannot remember how much they keep), school records, etc. As well as social media, etc. This would undoubtedly get you much closer to a decently accurate count. And this works with the data that is already available.
      Jul 7
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    It’s all shitposts and jokes - get a sense of humor!
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    It should be a non issue. The question was there for 190 years and 2010 under Obama was the first time it was removed.
    Jul 7 2
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      It’s all shitposts and jokes - get a sense of humor!
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      That’s just minor points, either way it’s a non issue to include this question.
      Jul 8
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      It’s all shitposts and jokes - get a sense of humor!
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      You said the same thing I did just with more words
      Jul 8
  • Envestnet jahfineh
    It doesn't matter that's not the point of the question
    Jul 6 0
  • Microsoft Dunkin🍩
    You can always leave it blank.
    Jul 6 4
    • Expedia Lark71
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      Why?
      Jul 6
    • Medallia Maximus8
      Better to stay quite than tell a lie!
      Jul 6
    • Microsoft Dunkin🍩
      For those wanting to make political statements. Personally, I don’t get why this whole drama about it.
      Jul 7
    • Medallia Maximus8
      Not everyone is well informed of details involved may be that’s why. basically a perjury trap for those not aware I guess.
      Jul 7
  • Kohl’s karma’s a
    how will the IRS know citizenship status? We dont include that info in tax filing.
    Jul 6 3
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      Luffy, M.D

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      You give that when you get a social security number. The IRS neither knows nor cares, but the Social Security adminstration knows (unless you were naturalized and forgot to update it to them) and for about 90% of people of working age in the US knows they're still alive and because of employers FICA tax filings.

      For the percent who are purely self employed and actually bother to pay taxes they hear from the IRS once a year
      Jul 6
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      You do give citizenship information in a tax filing. If you are an NRA or a citizen/resident with work permit is all part of the filing and any from the employer submits on you. When you work on a w2/w4/1099 citizenship and work permit documents are sent to the IRS yearly.
      Jul 6
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      The I-9 when you're hired goes to USCIS, not the IRS, and at least for citizens, you don't re-file it annually. I've heard from enough H1 folks to know that non-resident aliens need to file paperwork with their work periodically but that's also as far as I know with USCIS not the IRS

      There is no citizenship information on the W2, W3, or 1040. There is a specific version of the W4 for non-resident aliens but those are just used for calculating exemption numbers and filing status not sent to the IRS
      Jul 6
  • Expedia e2t2
    Look what data points India will collect. Nationality question is right there. India is also a republic and much more diverse country than usa. They dont have problem.
    Jul 7 4
    • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
      There’s nothing unconstitutional about asking about citizenship. It’s been on the census forever and was only recently dropped under Obama.
      Jul 7
    • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
      The government doesn’t have to give a reason for doing it. They can do it for shits and grins, to piss of the Dems, or any f’ing reason they want because guess what? Asking the question is constitutional.
      Jul 8
    • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
      Nope.
      Jul 8
    • Akamai Technologies VmQQ44
      Still nope.
      Jul 8
  • Microsoft /*$*/
    Citizens and resident aliens like immigrant workers have different SSN digits. They can clearly read it directly from your SSN
    Jul 6 3
    • Expedia Lark71
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      SSN doesnt change once assigned. How will you identify someone who came on H1B, got GC and became citizen? 🤔
      Jul 6
    • Microsoft Harambe’
      Search on their database ? No of H1Bs converted to citizens should not be hard to find for anyone with access.
      Jul 6
    • Apple / Eng Marijuana
      That is not actually true. Maybe it used to be the case though.
      Jul 7
  • Oracle Poas871285
    There is a question on the citizenship application- Have you ever claimed to be a US citizen? So it’s up to you to lie in a census or not
    Jul 7 1
    • Expedia Lark71
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      Well, lieing as citizen will have far reaching effects on everyone. If all illegals lied (which they will far sure on advice of democrats) in CA WA NY then there has to be created more electoral seats and hence winning these states will tilt results towards democrats.
      Jul 7
  • Groupon / Eng sleepy
    All other countries have this, so I’ll answer it accordingly.
    Jul 6 0