Intel NSG vs. Micron

Intel Jimothie
Jun 6 25 Comments

Two possible offers. Currently in Intel on 3DXP.

Offer 1: Micron, in South Bay
Pros:
Bump in pay (160k/30k/10%)
They are doing well and know the memory industry
Being in the bay

Cons:
Role may not be all that different, and a change would be good
Also being in the bay

Possible offer 2: Intel NSG, Folsom
Pros:
Much more different role, wider breath of experience and chance to learn new things

Cons:
Lateral move in terms of pay
Still in Folsom, and prefer a bigger city

Any thoughts?

Edits:
Currently already work in Intel Folsom (for about 1.5 yr)
4 YOE

Thanks!

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  • Intel knPl06
    I've worked for both companies.

    I'd say if you move to Intel Folsom, there aren't any other companies around the area, and Intel won't want to promote you based on your performance. Intel will mostly want to promote you if best worker in your current group + budget looks good for that yearly focal review or they are worried about losing you. You could transfer internally in a year to a better job, but without promotion or pay increase. Folsom is literally in the middle of no where, even Arizona is a better place to live.

    For micron, you will have opportunity to change company later, but the rent will be 2.5-3k/month if you want to live alone. House impossible for you to buy unless you want to drive 1-2 hours to work (1 way, not round trip) every day. But it may be easier to get promoted or change company.

    My advice is, the memory business is career suicide. Either move to the Folsom burbs and wait to die, or move to the bay, work hard and get into firmware or software or something else.

    Both companies will not have a large amount of success or growth anytime soon, and you will be a sitting duck. It's probable both companies may enter recession in the near future (as they already have).
    Jun 6 9
    • Intel Jimothie
      OP
      Hey thanks for the post. I currently live in Folsom so I know the area. Yeah, I understand the whole cost of living argument but in terms of environment, growth etc, which sounds better? I realize my current role is quite niche which has turned off recruiters. Hence, given location and scope of each role, wondering which one makes sense to land somewhere else sooner. Thanks.
      Jun 6
    • Intel knPl06
      Sure. Well let me ask you this, are you sure you won't learn new things moving to micron? I would choose micron in the bay or at least a non memory related group at Intel.

      There's no reason to have to internally transfer to memory related things inside Intel, that seems like the worst decision. I've seen people internally transfer in Intel to things that have nothing to do with their current experience, and it helps their career. They take a little python class and switch to software, AI, etc. and it greatly benefits them. That's the only benefit to stay in Intel.

      For micron:

      Option 1: If you stay in the memory business, it still makes more sense to move to micron and then move back to Intel later for level growth and more money.

      Option 2: if you want to get out of the memory business, you should also move to micron in the bay and can interview with unlimited companies and switch to whatever job you want, and make more money. This is the best option in my opinion.
      Jun 6
    • Intel BOBBY_AXE
      ^^^ these words of wisdom make a lot of sense. Being in Folsom is a handcuff. Intel knows they got you, they underpay, and where else can you go? Moving to the bay for Micron gets you 1/ higher TC (yes rent will eat up all your gain, but growing your top line TC number is still valuable), and 2/ in the bay with a job and can look around for a better one. Being local to bay area is half the battle. Moving to SFBA is a tough pill to swallow financially, but if your goal is to grow your career and TC, it is the best move of the two
      Jun 6
    • Intel Jimothie
      OP
      Sure, but if job role is similar with the offer I have and I want to get out of that line, does it make sense to just stay where I am and look longer? It'll be an investment having to move only to think about moving again - right? Though geographically I will be closer.
      Jun 7
    • Intel Jimothie
      OP
      Also, knPI06, where are you at now, which place do you prefer and why?
      Jun 7
    • Intel knPl06
      What kind of role do you want to switch to? I'm at Intel bay area but already leaving, I'm currently transitioning to FANG company. I prefer it here (intel bay area) because it's easier to study, prepare for interviews, and not have to work as hard.

      For study, it's easier for you to study in Folsom because it will take a lot of time investment for a new job, and micron seems like a busier than Intel imo.
      For interview, it's easier for you to live in bay area. Folsom will be very limited because only companies that pay for plane + hotel + relocation in on-site interview will contact you, and those jobs only want to hire you for a specialized job that you already have experience in. So if you want a job in another field, you are not specialized, you are entry level with no experience, no one's going to pay your plane ticket. If you are in bay area, you can get your friends to recommend you to company X and you will be interviewed.

      So, I recommend you move to bay area, but only if you are a hard worker. You will be much more busy and maybe burn out if you aren't aggressive enough. You have 3 weeks vacation per year and every one of those days off needs to be an on-site interview locally. You need to study every night, weekend, and even on work breaks at work. If you aren't aggressive, the transition you want may never happen. There are many Intel/micron employees who weren't aggressive enough and their transition never happened, they got too old, and they got stuck here forever. If you wait until you have 10 years experience in memory design, maybe it's too late for you too. But, you are less stuck in bay area location compared with Folsom, no matter how lazy you are.
      Jun 7
    • Microsoft no-sql
      @knpi06, what do you think about Seattle/Redmond? Is transitioning to Bay Area difficult? Also I like your post. Please let us know your fang study plan and timelines. I guess you are software engineer not in hw/memory
      Jun 8
    • Intel knPl06
      @no-sql thanks. Yes I am software engineer. I think it's easier to get a job for a company in bay area. For example, FANG in Seattle has less head count and less groups to join, so it's harder to get a job there, not as many opportunities. Your chances of being hired at FANG in bay area would be much higher. The ratio of #people applying / #jobs is much worse in Seattle than in bay area for any FANG company. You have current fb employees internally transferring from bay area to Seattle, then you have people from Amazon and Microsoft applying to fb in Seattle... Makes it Much harder to get into fb Seattle.

      Transitioning to bay area isn't difficult. Just move here, pay 2.5k for a nice studio or 2k for a really old and crappy place, or move in with a bunch of roommates for 1.5k each.

      For fang just depends on which company you join. They all require different things. Google is only leet code for lower levels, but it's very unpredictable in questions and hard to prepare, others are much more predictable. Amazon would be easy in leet code and then system design. Airbnb requires excellent behavioural and culture fit and is more predictable in technical. Every company requires different things, I can't give you advise unless company specific. For study, I recommend 2-3 months of heavy constant study. What I did was focus on only one company and succeed at my first try, but you can do it however you like. Since you can come back to interview after a half year after rejected, you can constantly interview in endless cycle of FANG companies every month forever until one of them hires you.
      Jun 8
    • Microsoft no-sql
      Thanks, fang bars are too high and need to be lucky to not get into ‘false negative ‘
      Jun 9
  • Nvidia nUug27
    Micron in the bay office is a toxic environment .
    I know this from experience .
    They retain and promote mediocrity
    They are also a good old boy network originating in Boise .
    Layoffs are a way of life.
    Not sure the role, but pay sounds low and they have awful benefits .
    You are not even allowed PTO for 90 days.
    Also factory schedule .
    You need to take PTO for the day after thanksgiving .
    If you are moving to the bay you will not be able to afford a good life.
    Jun 7 2
    • Micron / Eng bitline
      So damn true. Well said!
      Jun 9
    • Apple FreshFruit
      Jesus...my tc was 185k and I had a pretty good life in Bay area. I am single and shared housing which was the only compromise, but then I loved the sharing. I think u r being too pessimistic
      Jun 11
  • May I ask your YOE? Micron Boise is laying off.
    Jun 6 1
    • Intel Jimothie
      OP
      4 years. Hmm, did not know that. Though heard the Huawei news may affect soon them and not surprised.
      Jun 6
  • Hitachi Vantara xyzabd
    Move to Micron. They have invested quite a lot in the 3D crosspoint front by buying out the fab from Intel. Intel has already done the marketing and hyping up of 3DXP and the market is ripe for Micron to come in as the second source for Intel 3DXP SSDs. Every OEM and hyperscaler is waiting for Micron to release those SSDs. In the next few years, 3DXP as DIMM replacement shall be the big thing and again Micron will be sought after.
    Micron as a company is bound to do better due to their DRAM market and the emergig SSD business. There is much more potential for the Micron stock to go up than Intel.

    200k$ TC in the Bay area is not bad at all. There are several folks here with 60 to 70% of that TC and life still goes on.

    Moving to the bay opens up opportunities and makes it better for Job security. Once you are here and you don’t like the Micron job, you can apply to WD(HGST/Sandisk)/Toshiba/Samsung/SkHynix or any other SSD player in the ecosystem. If not those, then FB/Apple are hiring several Storage product development engineers associated with SSD/system architecture etc.

    Also it is always better to experience more companies when you are young to get a diverse perspective on company strategies/culture etc than stayin with the same company for so long that they brand you a dinosaur!
    Jun 8 0
  • Varian Medical FNhu82
    What’s your intel on MU 90 calls
    Jun 7 0
  • Nvidia nUug27
    160k will not cut it alone in the bay.
    If you have another partner or spouse with similar income then ok you can get by.
    Jun 7 2
    • OP is already not cutting it with 80/90k at Folsom with CA taxes.
      Jun 7
    • Nvidia nUug27
      Now combine that with outrageous housing/rent costs
      Jun 7
  • Intel John 117
    What's your pay and grade right now? How much of a bump is micron?
    Jun 7 2
    • Intel Jimothie
      OP
      G6. About 50% or so.
      Jun 7
    • Intel John 117
      IMO.....50% increase to move to the Bay is a net negative for pay.... Though I suppose opportunities are better.
      Jun 7
  • Microsoft VFYX80
    Micron
    Jun 8 0
  • It is a good offer for 4YOE. Someone said 50% bump for bay is still negative is not true. 20-25% bump in salary should cover the extra expenses and cost. You can always go back to Folsom slumber.
    Jun 7 0

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