Is there any WLB?

T-Mobile PNWBlind
Oct 29 14 Comments

Hey all,

Not ranting here. But I just got off a call with a team at Microsoft. I just learnt that the team has bi-weekly on call schedules for their dev's.

So does that basically mean every other weekend a Developer is expected to be 10 mins away from his machine? Is that even a reasonable expectation.

Do On call folks get any incentives? If not, how does anyone agree to that? Does the pay make up for it?

#No I haven't interviewed yet. Just curious to know if this was common
TC: 150k

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  • Microsoft fjsoxjnd
    On call every other week is very rare. Most are every 6 weeks. Google pays for oncall.
    Microsoft and most others don’t so it is effectively free labor. Microsoft used to hire SREs to take the on call rotation but it took Amazon’s model which gets more out of an employee. Some Engineers are naive and try hard to say it is their responsibility, not knowing it is extra pay and a holiday at Google or old Microsoft. Most of the people with common sense think this is added responsibility without extra pay but some Blinders think you shouldn’t complain because you get paid well and your salary includes this responsibility and capitalism should allow the companies to make the employees work for whatever the hours they want. Laughably they are not a major shareholder, manager at best. I think this is a third world mindset where labor laws are poor but alas we have more engineers from the third world so this mentality won’t change and the leadership will favor these folks.
    Oct 29 5
    • Tableau / Eng
      PhanPhreak

      Tableau Eng

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      PhanPhreakmore
      It was all good until you mentioned 3rd world laws.... Labor laws are way better than in the US in general
      Oct 29
    • T-Mobile PNWBlind
      OP
      Kind of does make sense. As long as 3 out of 4 dev's in a team agree to do it, the SANE one here turns out be insane and gets called out as
      Not Proactive
      Doesn't take responsibility and so on.

      Only if everyone stood up, I bet these manager's would actually treat them as Software developer's not as Laborer's. .
      Oct 29
    • Microsoft fjsoxjnd
      I disagree the labor laws are better in the third world countries. Aside from Europe which is not third world, labor laws and their execution are poor.
      Oct 29
    • Tableau / Eng
      PhanPhreak

      Tableau Eng

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      PhanPhreakmore
      Latin America has pretty good labor laws in general. Asia doesn't
      Oct 29
    • Microsoft fjsoxjnd
      Don’t know about Latin America. Perhaps you are right but you mentioned “way better...in general”. Latin America doesn’t have 100+ countries. I wouldn’t expect anything better from Asia, south east Asia, south Asia, middle east or Africa. But good to know Latin America has much better laws... only if they are not crime riddled, it will be worth.
      Oct 29
  • Citadel BrutеForce
    Not sure about msft but on call thing is pretty common. Usually you don't do anything extra. Business just feels better when it knows whom to call in case of an emergency.
    Oct 29 0
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    • Roku de Vil
      Devs are the labor. You think anyone thanks construction workers after a huge project? But guess who is on call to fix any issues.
      Oct 29
    • T-Mobile PNWBlind
      OP
      This is toxic. But I guess that's the cost of high pay?

      On call every other weekend!
      I hope they pay their dev's upwards of half a million for the sacrifice of weekends!
      Oct 29
    • Lyft / Eng anonamon
      Omg @familydude I’m sorry you had an awful experience as an engineer but man you must have fucked up everything because this is such an overreaction lol
      Oct 29
  • Tableau / Eng
    PhanPhreak

    Tableau Eng

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    PhanPhreakmore
    That's why it's more and more important to find a team that doesn't suck.
    And teams that suck and have terrible wlb have their engineers run away so they are hiring aggressively
    Oct 29 0
  • Roku de Vil
    This is very common
    Oct 29 0
  • Oracle 🕘 to 🕠
    Wanna make 🌲 Fiddy, you gotta be oncall
    Nov 2 0
  • Oracle
    not_larry

    Oracle

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    not_larrymore
    Why? The team has two people?
    Oct 30 0

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