Nordstrom Total Compensation Ranges (My TC: 325k)

Nordstrom nordie
Mar 25 129 Comments

People seem to not believe me when I share my Nordstrom TC. Yes, Nordstrom does have decent pay. We have done a lot to modernize our stack (Kubernetes, Kafka, Lambdas, AWS+GCP hybrid). Being in Seattle, it's the only way Nordstrom can stay somewhat competitive in hiring talent. Here are the current TC ranges. Format is Level / Low to High Salary / Annual Bonus / Annual Stock.

1 / 90k - 126k / 10% Bonus
2 / 104k - 150k / 20% Bonus
Sr 1 / 120k - 180k / 25% Bonus
Sr 2 / 142k - 213k / 30% Bonus
Principal / 169k - 253k / 30% Bonus / 15% Stock
Sr Principal / 300k+ / 30% Bonus / 30% Stock

Levels and ranges are the same between software engineers and program managers. Also, new hires tend to be brought in at the high end of the range (or outside the range).

People with zero YOE, no college degree coming out of a coding bootcamp are automatically offered 105k+10% bonus.

Hopefully, this encourages everyone to not discount Nordstrom as a potential employer.

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TOP 129 Comments
  • Nordstrom simplegirl
    I would stay away from Nordstrom , guys. it is another retail company that is now over compensating for its general lack of engineering culture. The majority of the teams work on legacy Oracle and mainframe systems.
    Mar 26 9
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      Yeah, it’s obvious @simplegirl isn’t happy about being on a team that has to support a legacy system while things are being rewritten or migrated to newer systems. Don’t go making assumptions about the whole company based on your small view of one team.
      Mar 26
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      @simplegirl: Also, lack of engineering culture? We have established engineering standards, a technical design review process, and an engineering maturity model as well.

      Clearly, you’re simple-minded and don’t understand the meaning of “engineering.” Stop being bad at your job and read up on Nordstrom’s Engineering Standards like you’re supposed to:
      https://gitlab.nordstrom.com/engineering-standards
      Mar 26
    • Nordstrom ggfts
      2 teams use oracle, 1 uses mainframe, both are slated to be replaced with something modern. Virtually everything business critical is in the cloud.
      Mar 27
    • Nordstrom rocksalsa
      Slated to be replaced in 15 - 25 years , yes ... Most business critical systems are on prem legacy systems.
      Mar 28
    • Nordstrom / IT
      ywSs80

      Nordstrom IT

      PRE
      Expedia Group
      BIO
      Sr. Info Sec professional
      ywSs80more
      Why the anger? It’s not a good look for Nordstrom. Cut it out.
      Mar 28
  • Amazon RLRq11
    Why no RSU'S to engineers?
    Mar 25 24
    • Amazon RLRq11
      Does an Sr2 map to L5/SDE2 at Amazon?
      Mar 26
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      We have had SDE2s come in from Amazon at Sr1 or Sr2, depending on interview performance.
      Mar 26
    • Nordstrom / Eng EBlV76
      Nordstrom just introduced bonus in 2015. Prior to that, I believe only principal level get bonus or the 33% discount. It's definitely going to the right direction in order to compete for talent.
      Mar 26
    • Nordstrom
      Suckerburg

      Nordstrom

      BIO
      I'm me😂
      Suckerburgmore
      Just to clarify... This year we received 97% of our Target bonus. That means,
      E1 - 9.7% bonus of their pay, 13% for performers
      E2 - 19.5% Standard, 26% Performers
      Sr1- 24.25% Standard, 32.5% Performers
      Sr2- 29.1% Standard, 39% Performers

      And so on...
      Standard Payout is - % of your target bonus (97% this year)
      Enhanced Payout for Performers - 130% of your target bonus.
      Mar 26
    • Nordstrom / Eng EBlV76
      The new increased bonus structure also took effect starting in May 2018 so there is a prorated bonus calculation using the old bonus percentage i.e., 15% for Sr from Feb - April.
      Mar 26
  • LinkedIn tendies
    So what kind of work do you do? Can you go into more detail about what other teams do
    Mar 25 3
    • NASDAQ / Eng smrts
      Also interested to hear more about this
      Mar 25
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      We have a lot of programs that you would expect from a modern eCommerce platform. That includes building a recommendations engine, machine learning platform and event sourcing pipeline for business analytics, a massive ground-up project to build an order management system, infrastructure to support all the microservices. Nordstrom has site reliability engineering, engineering standards, and tech design reviews as well. Website is mostly React. Mobile applications are native iOS/Android. Services are Node.js, Golang, or Java.
      Mar 25
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      We have a lot of leadership that came from Amazon, Expedia, Google, Microsoft. They have really raised the bar on technical/operational excellence at Nordstrom.
      Mar 25
  • NASDAQ / Eng smrts
    Perks at Nordstrom ?
    Mar 25 7
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      We start at about 20 vacation days on top of the standard holidays. Taking a day off here and there doesn’t require deducting from your vacation balance. It’s pretty flexible here.
      Mar 25
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      401k match is dollar for dollar from 4 to 6 percent depending on company performance.
      Mar 25
    • Nordstrom / Eng EBlV76
      20 days? That's pretty good. Mine starts at 18 days.
      Mar 25
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      A lot of teams are super flexible about this. People don’t charge PTO for taking a day off here and there.
      Mar 25
    • Amazon RLRq11
      40% discount is it available on rack and online as well?
      Mar 29
  • Expedia / Eng undone
    Nordie CTO was forced to quit Expedia due to lack of delivering anything of value other than a massive teradata warehouse that no one was ever able to use due to too many layers of process.
    Mar 25 2
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      That was years ago and I like to believe that people learn from their mistakes.

      So far, the CTO has done a great job aligning Nordstrom Technology in the right direction. I’m pretty happy with how he is guiding the company.
      Mar 25
    • Nordstrom n-1
      Lol. He’s building teradata v3 at Nordstrom as we speak. Expedia->Tesco->Nordstrom.
      Apr 1
  • Nordstrom complexq
    Well ... most of Nordstrom’s mission critical applications run on legacy systems that a large number of teams support ... for Instance supply chain is still running all of its warehouses on an AS400 !!!
    Mar 26 7
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      Wrong and Amazon is targeting 2020. This has been verified by my Amazon friends and this article: https://m.slashdot.org/story/347501
      Mar 26
    • Amazon RLRq11
      At least that is what Jeff wilke said in this all hands
      Mar 26
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      That is specifically Amazon Fulfillment. I’m told other Amazon orgs still use Oracle products.

      Also, you’re missing the point here. My point was that moving off Oracle is a hard problem to solve. Considering the news around Amazon+Oracle, that only highlights this point.

      Also, consider looking into how many tech companies you respect use Oracle products. It’s more widespread than you think.
      Apr 4
    • Amazon RLRq11
      Generally any kind of migrations are hard. Amazon has this weird culture of top down push and everything has to be migrated in set amount of time else you are missing S team goals.
      Apr 4
  • Nordstrom eisnsnsk
    OP is overstating what it is like to work here . There are a ton of legacy systems that have to be managed along with buzzword compliant tech(Kafka , AWS etc) . The company’s most critical and rewarding business runs on legacy systems. The buzzword compliant tech is only a layer over these critical systems which do the actual heavy lifting. Also we mostly rely on commercial off the shelf products to run the IT shop , no budgets / desire for building a product from scratch. Obviously there are exceptions , but this is the norm. So to come out to Blind and paint a fairy tale story and skipping noteworthy details is wrong and also misleading IMO
    May 8 0
  • Kohl’s dough
    would be a good post for ecommerce/ retail channel
    Mar 25 1
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      Done.
      Mar 25
  • Uber ihnfhijj
    Nice try Nordstrom manager.325 is misleading because very few people will get that because you need to be sr principle. At fang everyone and their mums have 350k
    Mar 27 5
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      You struggle with math? At the principal level, 250 x 1.3 (bonus) = 325. That doesn’t even include the stock component.

      Also, probably struggle with English too? It’s called TC for a reason. Look up the word “total” in a dictionary. It’s not just base salary.

      Finally, senior principals make way more.
      Mar 27
    • Uber ihnfhijj
      Yea? And how many principles?
      Mar 28
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      Oh boy. Someone needs to go back to ESL classes. It is “principal,” not “principle.”
      Mar 28
    • Uber ihnfhijj
      Sure principal
      Mar 28
    • Uber ihnfhijj
      Also I'm born in USA just don't give a fuck about lapsus lingua on blind
      Mar 28
  • Microsoft / Other
    MuskofElon

    Microsoft Other

    PRE
    Moosejaw, Google
    BIO
    Beware of elves
    MuskofElonmore
    Clothing discount? Yay!
    Mar 25 5
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      You clearly don’t shop Nordstrom. We carry a lot of the top electronics techies love: Sonos, Bose, Devialet, Google Home, Nest, etc. and yes, the discount applies to all of those as well.
      Mar 25
    • Nordstrom / Eng EBlV76
      You will appreciate it during holiday season, I bought almost all my gifts from Nordstrom for any occasions: anniversary, birthday, baby shower, etc.
      Mar 25
    • Nordstrom
      Suckerburg

      Nordstrom

      BIO
      I'm me😂
      Suckerburgmore
      Not only that... You'll also get 33% (40% during Annual sale/Yearend else's) off on Jewelry or anything physically or virtually that you can find in Nordstrom stores or online respectively.

      20% (30% firing Annual Sale/Year end sale) on Nordstrom Rack and Hautelook.

      Oh yes... Even if they're on sale, you'll get above discounts on top of on sale items.
      Mar 26
    • Cisco SamMc
      So Nordstrom is a Best Buy now? Why would I want to shop 4 electronics @ a predominantly clothing store?
      May 24
    • Nordstrom
      Dr-Strange

      Nordstrom

      BIO
      I'm me😂
      Dr-Strangemore
      That's because, we don't sale Electronics specifically. There are some items for example Bose headphones, Mavic Drones(used to be available), some kitchen appliances, home decor etc.

      But, how does it matter if a person wants buy electronic items from Nordstrom? Well, the answer is it doesn't for others except employees. We get them 33% off. And Nordstrom return policy is so generous that everyone can avail them.
      May 24
  • New IIiP21
    How about culture, wlb, career growth and opportunities?
    Mar 26 4
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      In terms of culture, a lot of people refer to Nordstrom as “Expedia v2”. Almost all of our senior leadership is from Expedia. Some from Microsoft.

      WLB is definitely the biggest benefit. Most people probably work 35-40 hours a week average. Work from home flexibility as well.

      Career growth/opportunities. We have 1,800+ engineers and work on a modernized tech stack. There’s a lot of opportunities to learn and grow.
      Mar 27
    • New IIiP21
      Thank you so much. They should give you a huuuuuuge bonus this year. I would never even think about applying and I did just now :)
      Mar 27
    • Nordstrom Dikw07
      Nordie is being a bit overstated on work hours and flexibility. Alot of that depends on who you work for, some managers still believe work must be done in the office. If that’s a key option for you, make sure you discuss it before joining and know it can change if your manager changes
      Mar 27
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      @Dikw07: agreed. That’s fair. On average, I know Nordstrom has great WLB but WFH flexibility does depends on manager.
      Mar 27
  • Tableau / Eng
    ThePlague

    Tableau Eng

    PRE
    Microsoft
    ThePlaguemore
    How do the levels map to other companies?
    Mar 26 2
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      Considering we have a good number of people coming from Amazon and vice versa, I’ll use Amazon’s levels:
      ...
      Amazon SDE2 (L5) == Nordstrom Sr2
      Amazon SDE3 (L6) == Nordstrom Principal
      ...
      Mar 27
    • Nordstrom nordish
      Not totally correct-we’ve hired one l5 at sr1 and one of our sr2 went to l6 -depends on interview, yoe etc - and as you know Amazons l6 is very wide too!
      Mar 28
  • Nordstrom rocksalsa
    LOL - something is fishy with this OP and the intentions behind this post.
    Mar 28 6
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      What’s your read on my intentions? I’m curious. Do entertain me with your theories.
      Mar 28
    • Nordstrom salmonella
      I agree - this op is not being entirely honest and transparent about certain things.
      Mar 29
    • New / Eng young$$
      Salmonella, share more info?
      Mar 29
    • Nordstrom qgcO30
      Humble brag recruiting. Not everyone comes to Blind to complain about their TC and to look for greener grass
      Apr 3
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      @Salmonella/@rocksalsa: Hahaha isn’t it obvious what my intentions are? I don’t know how much more transparency/honestly you need.

      Let me spell it out for you. I’m trying to boost my own career and yours by showing the world that Nordstrom is more legit than most people think in terms of pay and tech stack. Sure, we ain’t no Google/Facebook but still worth considering as a tech employer.

      Can you think of other benefits to improving the Nordstrom Technology brand besides improving your own brand or recruiting? If you need help, consider taking a marketing class.
      Apr 4
  • HackerRank xFlC00
    Bro u hiring?
    Mar 27 1
    • Nordstrom
      Suckerburg

      Nordstrom

      BIO
      I'm me😂
      Suckerburgmore
      If you're interested, please DM me. I can refer you.
      Mar 28
  • Microsoft / Product not@msft
    Any insights on pay ranges for PMs?
    Mar 25 1
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      The PM pay ranges are exactly the same as engineer pay ranges.
      Mar 25
  • Nordstrom / Eng ¯\_(ツ)_/¯'
    Anyone know how much these values fluctuate for other cities? Not in Seattle, and my salary is about 10% below the bottom range for my title on OP.
    Apr 20 3
    • Uber IamDara
      Cuz they're doing blind inflation
      Apr 20
    • Nordstrom n86p65
      It can vary by more than 10% based on geography. Your HR business partner should be able to explain it in more detail.
      Apr 20
    • NASDAQ / Eng Oswego
      What location? Seattle obviously has to compete at least a little bit with all the big guys unless they want absolute garbage in the door
      Apr 21
  • Mode DvVM00
    what’s LOE
    Mar 25 3
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      Don’t want to reveal who I am. At the same time, Nordstrom has a lot of young people. We have people at the Principal Engineer level with less than 10 YOE.
      Mar 25
    • Mode DvVM00
      ?? i take it LOE is a typo for YOE
      Mar 25
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      Ah yes. Good catch. Corrected.
      Mar 25
  • Expedia hnAy18
    Any offices outside of Seattle?
    Mar 25 2
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      Bay Area and Denver as well.
      Mar 25
    • Whereabouts in the Bay Area?
      Mar 31
  • Facebook YMVM33
    How many engineers does Nordstrom have in total?
    Mar 25 2
    • Nordstrom nordie
      OP
      Nordstrom Technology organization has about 2,600 employees. I would say at least half of those people are engineers so about 1,300 engineers?
      Mar 25
    • Nordstrom
      Suckerburg

      Nordstrom

      BIO
      I'm me😂
      Suckerburgmore
      Approx 1800 are Engineers (including Prinicpal/Sr Principal)
      Mar 26
  • Insureon / Other ShipJumper
    Good to know. Do you mind referring me for new grad roles?
    Mar 25 2