Pay cut to join Google?

Amazon austria
Oct 28, 2018 61 Comments

Currently at AMZN. Have an offer from GOOG. Base pay is -5% and total compensation is -7%.

AMZN TC is ~250k (base 158k)
GOOG TC would be ~235k (base 150k)

GOOG offer is lateral move. 10 YOE.

Role is a product manager, not an engineering role.

I have 50+ shares of AMZN vesting in Jan 2019 (calculated into my 2019 total compensation number) . GOOG will not let my start date be in 2019.

Boss says a promotion is coming in the next round, but no promises.

Should I stick it out at AMZN or take the GOOG offer?

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  • Microsoft / Eng ek saaya👤
    If you got offer from Google this time, you should be able to get it next time as well. Get some competing offer or try again next year after studying more.
    Oct 28, 2018 6
    • Amazon / Eng
      onMyWay

      Amazon Eng

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      AWS
      onMyWaymore
      I disagree. At this level, any of these companies (FAANG, MS, etc) are all entirely dependent on interviewer.
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      Alt_qq everyone on Blind is saying how homogenous and perfect Google's process is. Seems it would be much easier to get back in there than at ms where the process is highly variable. Or is google not that perfect and you're equally likely to get a harder or easier interview.

      It always kills me when people come on here and talk about one company's interviews being harder or easier than another's with exactly one interview as evidence. To give an idea why this is nonsense, I've interviewed more than 50 times internally at Microsoft. I've also interviewed at google and Amazon. Ms has given me both the hardest and easiest interviews (and a bunch in between).
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Facebook alt_qq
      Doyu, what I'm trying to get at is that Google is a tough nut to crack. I've interviewed on site a few times there and you just have to be firing on all cylinders for every interview. I guess maybe it's wrong to say it varies on the interviewer (though I had one or two not so great interviewers) and more to say that just because you have a great performance once doesn't mean you will do it again the next time. (I'm pretty variable in my personal interview performance)

      Basically you usually have a little more room for error elsewhere (I honestly think my MS/FB performances were on par with my G performances, but got offers for those and not G), so it's easier to pass the interviews again later. At Google, all you really need is to have a slight off day or have the wrong interviewer slip into the process.

      I agree re: MS, the interview process there is crazy variable (was previously there too and did the whole internal process for a few roles in parallel with my FB interviews)
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Microsoft DOyu71
      If what you are saying is that overall you are more likely to have a harder interview at google, I'm not sure how you'd measure this. That has been your experience but I know several people including myself who have had a different experience. Yours may be more typical or it may not, I dont know, and probably you dont either.

      As for one interviewer runing your day I used to work with a guy at ms that never passed anyone, ever. He had these ridiculous, esoteric questions that had to do with mathematical proofs (dont remember exactly what they were). He had a bunch of them. He was on about 20 loops for our team until HMs finally started leaving him off. He later was vp for a different group, and probably screwed all kinds of people there too. The point being you'll find tough interviewers at ms too.
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Facebook alt_qq
      Interesting. What I've seen on blind seems to align with my experience with Google interviews (harder to get an offer than FAAM) but I acknowledge I don't have complete information.
      Oct 29, 2018
  • Google WatsGoinOn
    Start in 2019 and negotiate for a higher pay. Google recruiter is bullshitting you when he is saying that offer cannot be higher or the start date can’t be delayed.
    Oct 28, 2018 5
    • Square / Eng SQ
      This. Recruiter is pushing to hit quota numbers for 2018. 2019 is doable.
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Bosch OpxD24
      Recruiting quotas are a thing? Hmmm I have some interviews with google soon. Wonder if that means they are serious about me or if the recruiter is just looking to hit a quota.
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Square / Eng SQ
      Yeah quotas are a thing. Orgs and teams each have headcount they want to hit by the end of 2018. It looks bad for recruiters to not hit their numbers
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Bosch OpxD24
      Interesting. I have an interview coming up for a specific role. Hey contacted me. I mentioned they had another role that was more suited to my experience. But that role was with another recruiter. Anyway. I mean that incentivizes the recruiter to hire me but it it’s ultimately the choice of the hiring committee so I guess I shouldn’t really read much into the quota and how that affects my chances. Thanks.
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Google Dssv11
      Beware that if you start in 2019 you are automatically ineligible for an equity refresh until YE 2020. New policy, make sure your starting equity makes up for that fact. Don't get scroogled.
      Oct 29, 2018
  • Amazon austria
    OP
    Should also note that GOOG would be 10 minute commute. AMZN office is 45-60 minutes.

    Have been at AMZN for almost two years
    Oct 28, 2018 2
    • Facebook alt_qq
      Shorter commute, better WLB, better for resume

      Worth it IMO
      Oct 28, 2018
    • WLB not always better at Google you should see the search devs checking in cls at 1 am all year long.
      Oct 29, 2018
  • Macy's / Ops
    MollyMcB

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    MollyMcBmore
    Amazon usually does not rehire if you leave as an L5 or above. You have stock vesting in 60 or so days. I would wait it out.
    Oct 28, 2018 3
    • Amazon Shakira
      This is absolutely incorrect. There are numerous instances of such rehire, and are always welcome.
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Amazon mxKendncnd
      What? Yes they do
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Twitch
      jq52

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      jq52more
      What? Of course amazon does. I have rehired high level people returning to Amazon myself. The only thing that matters is what your last manager sets during off boarding. Whether they want you back or not.
      Oct 28, 2018
  • Apple / Eng cho Chang
    Stay, get promoted, get ur stock, then get other competing offers to negotiate with G. Ur offer from G should be valid for a year anyway.
    Oct 28, 2018 0
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    • Google WatsGoinOn
      Yeah no thanks is the best response.
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Amazon austria
      OP
      So glad to know there are others in the same situation. Please let me know how it goes.
      Oct 29, 2018
  • Valorem Trynasmash
    Think about it from a longer term perspective as well. Amazon would most likely rehire if you’re doing good there and leave in good terms; knowing that imagine how two fangs look on your resume.

    You should take into account the value of your stocks if it’s a considerable amount I wouldn’t do it.
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • Google / Eng ;O 𓂺
    What? Google offers are good for an entire year.

    They won’t let you delay specifically to get a bonus or stock, as that creates a liability of collusion. Just pass and then start next year?
    Oct 28, 2018 8
    • Google / Eng ;O 𓂺
      I imagine you’d be able to still join, but on a different team. You did a team match, right? They can just restart that process.
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Amazon austria
      OP
      I assume so. Do all candidates go through a team match? Never heard anything from the recruiter about matching. Is it possible that non-tech doesn’t have the same process?
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Amazon gte305f
      PM interviews are not like SWE. You are interviewing with a specific team. There is not typically an additional team match step. I jumped from Amazon to Google as a TPM. If you're used to Amazon you will likely be frustrated by the development velocity at Google. I would not jump for a pay cut
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Amazon austria
      OP
      Are all offers good for a year? Or just SWE?
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Amazon / Product
      Leadership

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      @austria, are you going to Google as a Product Manager or Program Manager?

      Also, maybe ask them to match your un-vested set of RSUs that will soon vest? They did that for me
      Oct 29, 2018
  • Microsoft qIYW40
    Money is not the most important thing, nor will it make you happier at the end of the day. If you want to work at google, go work at google. It won’t matter when you look back in 5 years
    Oct 31, 2018 1
    • Guidewire Lahlah
      It’s kind of insulting though, eh? Going through something similar.
      Oct 31, 2018
  • Amazon ABCD2468
    I'd probably take 5% less to save ~400-500 hours a year in traffic.

    It would look good on your resume and if you didnt like it you could boomerang back.

    Downside is you would be letting go of a bunch of stock so it all depends on if you're really happy with what you're currently doing.
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng n0v
    Don't move unless you don't like current role. You should get pay boost to move to goog, not a cut.
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • Microsoft Qqcx31
    If you are getting 50 in 2nd year, are you saying you got 500 shares 2 years ago?

    Typical vesting sched for Amazon is 10-10-40-40?
    Oct 28, 2018 2
    • Amazon austria
      OP
      These RSUs are part of my welcome RSUs. They vest fully over 2 years. I got a refresher as my bonus this year but won’t see that vest until 2020 and 2021.
      Oct 28, 2018
    • Amazon failed
      5-15-40-40
      Oct 29, 2018
  • Amazon Gjdyveycc4
    Add free food and there’s your difference 😊
    Oct 29, 2018 0
  • Amazon 7slug
    Current TC and YOE,?
    Oct 28, 2018 0
  • Amazon austria
    OP
    I asked for my start date to be after my AMZN vest in January and they said no. It doesn’t seem like this is an option for me.
    Oct 29, 2018 3
    • Wayfair addA30
      Who said no? Recruiter or hiring manager?
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Amazon austria
      OP
      Recruiter.
      Oct 29, 2018
    • Wayfair addA30
      If they've been lying to you, why would they stop lying to you now?

      Get your offer in writing and talk to the hiring manager.
      Oct 29, 2018
  • Amazon austria
    OP
    Is it possible that the job is a 2018 head and they’d lose it in 2019 if they don’t fill it? I don’t want to assume they’re lying to me.
    Oct 29, 2018 1
    • Google WatsGoinOn
      It’s not like google gonna stop hiring PMs in 2019. Ifthe team needs a PM now and they can’t close you they would still need a PM in 2019. 100k loss to join Google is stupidity.
      Oct 29, 2018
  • Amazon Wonxdj
    Do you have actual offer from google? Is google willing to match your TC?
    Oct 28, 2018 1
    • Amazon austria
      OP
      Yes, I have an offer. The final offer details are in the OP.
      Oct 28, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng kwq7812
    Tell them you'll sign the offer tomorrow (or whatever) in exchange for a late January start date.
    Nov 2, 2018 0
  • New tLFu71
    Reach out to hiring manager directly and tell him your situation. Explain the share vesting issue and see how he can resolve either letting you wait until jan to start or if he has budget to give you a sign on to match the loss.
    Oct 30, 2018 0
  • Amazon / Eng n0v
    Just say no. They need you at least as much as you need them.
    Oct 29, 2018 0

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