Set out for Seattle

Oracle SellMe!?
Jun 9 58 Comments

I’m trying to decide if it makes financial sense to relocate to Seattle WA, from the south east.

Current Situation:

I work for Oracle in OCI. I am well compensated for the South. 165 in base and enough stock to push me to 220 for the next 4 years. I work entirely from home and my job is pretty low stress. Lots of freedom to come and go as I please. I have some young kids, and my wife works in tech too. The work itself is lack luster. I live in a fairly “techie” city, and I can get another job here...but may not pay quite as well.

Seattle Situation:

Amazon.com offer is in Seattle. The total is 290. Base is 150/bonus/stock. Basically 4 years at 290 and whatever appreciation of stock. After that....dunno. My wife can work from her company office in Seattle, and I expect she will be adjusted, probably slowly, to a more appropriate wage for the Seattle area. I have to go to the office. I have a full relocation package.

I’m sad to give up WFH, but I currently have astoundingly little confidence in Oracle OCI leadership. I am not bullish on the long term perspective of my current job...but I could be wrong.

I figure that Amazon experience will be good for my career. And I feel like the potential for professional growth is better at Amazon...at the very least by being in the office.

On the other hand...that 70k raise barely covers the cost of living.

What would you do? Are there other factors to consider?

Edit: I was offered SDEII at Amazon

Edit Again: yes, I am aware that TC is a lot for SDE II. Please just trust me.

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  • Amazon Usernahme
    If you're single and don't know anyone in Seattle, don't go there. Social life in Seattle is plain horrible. Amazon is not as shitty as people make it sound but is not great either. If you got that offer you can probably find something better.
    Jun 9 7
    • Amazon / Eng Wxfhs32
      Wtf is wrong people propagating this bs. Just because you can’t make friends or find a date doesn’t mean the city is cursed. I’ve been here 3 weeks and have a ton of friends already and came here knowing no one. Same with amazon. A wide generalization that the company isn’t that great.. Jesus, what is your compassion to what actually is great? I work 40-45hrs max, pet dogs and drink beer at work.

      Advice op. Take everything here with a grain of salt. Some of the most pessimistic people exist on Blind.
      Jun 9
    • Oracle SellMe!?
      OP
      Does Amazon supply beer? I didn’t know they had this perk. Grain of salt for sure. I agree with you that the stigma is over blown. There are so many thousands of people and they cannot all be having a terrible experience...or they wouldn’t stay.
      Jun 10
    • Oracle pointeduho
      But u may be pip'ed by the time u approach 3mo

      They do stay in droves, sometimes till death
      Jun 10
    • Amazon Usernahme
      3 weeks?? Pfff okay Mr. Popular. Not everyone is you. Let’s talk again about Amazon and Seattle in 2 years. Also I said basically that Amazon is meh. Didn’t say it was a shithole, but definitely doesn’t deserve any kind of reverence as a great place to work.

      And they don’t supply beer. If your team has a budget for snacks then you might get beer. It’s not a perk or anything.
      Jun 11
    • Amazon / Eng Wxfhs32
      Has nothing to with bring popular and has everything to do with not being a pessimistic jerk. Be outgoing and excited to meet people. It’s really that simple. I’m sorry if Amazon/Seattle has been a less than ideal experience for you. But I’ve met many people who’ve loved both for many years.

      SDMs in our group buys drinks and snacks.
      Jun 11
  • Databricks Vjwnzk
    Seattle is a far cry from the south - the weather, people, politics, culture, etc... Are you sure it would be good??
    Jun 9 6
    • So you and your wife are going to live separately?
      Jun 9
    • Oracle SellMe!?
      OP
      No. She would come with me. Reworded the post to make it more clear. She makes more than me currently....and should be adjusted up eventually. She should be worth more than me in seattle too. But...she will need a good bump or a new job.
      Jun 9
    • Is she from the south originally?
      Jun 9
    • Oracle SellMe!?
      OP
      No. We have moved around together.
      Jun 9
    • Should be ok. I would suggest that you move first for a couple of month- half a year to see if you like amazon before relocation your whole family there. But its up to you guys
      Jun 9
  • Microsoft ImAwesome
    OCI leadership is strong
    Jun 9 13
    • @Imawesome, Don is that you?
      Jun 11
    • Oracle SellMe!?
      OP
      Must be Don. Makes sense has time to talk up his org on Blind. Plenty of not leading!
      Jun 11
    • Microsoft ImAwesome
      OCI has some big things in the pipeline. More announcements coming in FY20
      Jun 11
    • Biggest announcement will be Larry telling these clowns to GTFO
      Jun 11
    • Microsoft ImAwesome
      Larry is going all in on OCI this year. Some major $ investments coming. Stay tuned for all hands
      Jun 11
  • New __tro50
    Take it. AWS engineers are well sought out
    Jun 9 1
    • Oracle SellMe!?
      OP
      This is Amazon.com, not AWS...but I think it’s still true.
      Jun 9
  • Microsoft ufhudv
    Stay in the south. Amazon is the extreme end to your WFH life. The increase of TC is not justified and you won’t be able to afford a decent house here that is less than 45mins away. Plus the cost of parking. Public transportation is even longer. Find a better job there and you’ll be happier without the stress of a cross country move.
    Jun 9 2
    • Oracle SellMe!?
      OP
      We have been looking at Mercer Island. The Amazon shuttles take about 35 minutes from there...or so I have read. The mortgage will be about 20k more per year for something decent....though not quite comparable.
      Jun 9
    • Microsoft ufhudv
      Forgot you had double income so Mercer Island would work and it’s a nice family friendly area. The con is your moving for a house that’s more expensive but not comparable. Sounds like a downgrade. Plus, you could be buying at the peak of the market.
      Jun 9
  • VMware / Eng
    tyxS31

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    Take the opportunity, what the worse that could happen, the south is not going anywhere
    Jun 9 1
    • Oracle SellMe!?
      OP
      “The south is not going anywhere”. Boy, that’s true. No where in particular, not very fast. The summer is miserable here too.
      Jun 9
  • Salesforce / Eng sf-dc-01
    Young kids = wfh gives you more time to hang out with them. Remember that you cannot buy time and they won't be young forever.
    Jun 9 1
    • Oracle bluser123
      Don't worry, you are likely to find equally young kids at work as well... In the OCI leadership team.
      Jun 11
  • Deloitte broadway74
    I just gave up work from home and relocating to amazon.com seattle in a few weeks. The wfh job is the golden handcuffs. I was so bored so I’m taking this opportunity with amazon and if I hate it I will find something else in a few years making more money with the experience.

    I think you would regret not taking it.
    Jun 9 4
    • Oracle SellMe!?
      OP
      This sounds a lot like me. I’m excited to try something different again. My hope is that there is more room to grow into larger TC there in Seattle.
      Jun 10
    • Deloitte broadway74
      That’s my thought. I’m taking the Amazon offer in hopes of growing long term. I am 30 and wfh last 6 years. Got an $80k bump. My thought is if I take another job where I am I would most likely have to commute 30 minutes or so anyway and not sure I could get $80k more where I am now.

      The work from home is a double edged sword. Any job I take will most likely not be 100% remote so can’t really compare. If you want to grow tc you have to keep moving
      Jun 10
    • Oracle SellMe!?
      OP
      At least there is someone out there that thinks mostly like I do. Same situation. Especially because I don’t know how long this wfh gig will hold out. Like you say, any new job near here is a 30 min commute, and you can bet it will be a lower TC than Oracle. Good luck!
      Jun 10
    • Deloitte broadway74
      Yea Working remote is risky in my opinion, out of sight out of mind. I’m hoping amazon will let me work 1 day remote.

      Besides I’m happy to change up the pace. Working from home 100% takes its toll as well. I like the flexibility but the boredom and lack of people interaction is tough to do for years. Plus you become stagnant career wise.
      Jun 10
  • Microsoft idknbd
    Not worth it at all, financially. You will be worse off. If you hate where you live and like the PNW, do it. But know going in it doesn't make sense financially. EVERYTHING here is more expensive for lower quality, not just housing.
    Jun 9 4
    • Oracle SellMe!?
      OP
      I have heard this before. How do you determine this? Do you have a source? From the research I have done, it seems like some things certainly are...but not everything. For example groceries seem to be cheaper in Seattle, as well as some utilities.
      Jun 10
    • Microsoft idknbd
      My source is living in the southeast and moving to Seattle. A crappy meal in a restaurant here will cost you $20 per person not including tip, and that's for bad food. There are also a million little taxes instead of one big income tax. So don't think your tax burden will actually be lower. Utilities aren't too bad here except water. Water is expensive. Probably depends on where exactly in the south you live. From Atlanta to Seattle it was a HUGE COL increase.
      Jun 10
    • Oracle SellMe!?
      OP
      You regret the move? I definitely didn’t expect taxes to be less.
      Jun 10
    • Microsoft idknbd
      I don't regret it because i like seattle, but i am worse off financially even with the strong recent stock performance
      Jun 11
  • Amazon
    Maxter

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    Yo-yo Chen
    Maxtermore
    Giving up WLB for a minimal TC increase sounds pretty stupid. Also please note Amazon doesn’t do layoffs but they do dev list and PIP people like crazy. Search Blind posts and you will see lot of people have been abused by their managers (so much so that they had to get Psychiatric treatment).
    Jun 11 3
    • Deloitte broadway74
      $70k is not minimal
      Jun 11
    • Amazon
      Maxter

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      For west coast standard it is. I would never jump ship for 70k bump which is not even 30% increase in my TC.
      Jun 11
    • Deloitte broadway74
      Glad you make so much. I jumped from $130k to $220k. At lower tc, a $70k bump is pretty good plus I think amazon stock will increase pushing the money potentially more. I think anything over 20% is pretty good unless you have an awesome job but then why would you be looking.
      Jun 11
  • Microsoft / Mgmt Dunph
    I thought oci pays 300k+
    Jun 9 1
    • Oracle SellMe!?
      OP
      Yep. They also the have strong leadership and adequate worker to manager ratios. 😵
      Jun 10
  • Amazon
    x-y=0

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    Read all the posts above. Well, not a good idea to move to Seattle.
    Jun 9 0
  • Zillow Group ipoop
    If you have career ambitions and want to get into the rat race, then go to Amazon. If you value non-career parts of your life more, then don't.
    Jun 15 0
  • Adobe 209Teen
    From the South East? Have you checked on how significant the pay increase really is based on the total cost of living difference? The Seattle are is expensive. However it’s also beautiful. You and your family may enjoy it, but really weigh how much of an increase this is in pay and see if it’s worth commuting every day and the decreased time with your kids.
    Jun 10 0
  • New qasvdz
    why not use that spare time to start a side hustle of your own?
    Jun 9 0

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