Should I cc hiring manager when negotiating offer

Facebook / Eng tTTyuwv
Sep 11, 2017 15 Comments

About return offer at Facebook.

The hiring manager is my team manager when I was interning. I didn't interact with him much but I had a meeting with him at the end of my internship where he was selling the team (the return offer).

In this case, should I cc him when I'm asking my recruiter to raise the offer?

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  • New osse
    Just the recruiter. The recruiter will bring it up with the hiring manager and be the person that "goes to bat for you" helping to justify your ask. If you're not asking much, the recruiter may even be authorized today make the adjustment themselves. If your ask is unreasonable, as sometimes is the case with people fresh out of school, they'll also help to protect your reputation with the hiring manager. They tend to see more of this and be more receptive to it than the hiring managers themselves. :)
    Sep 11, 2017 1
    • Facebook / Eng tTTyuwv
      OP
      Gotcha. Should i mention concrete target numbers or not in the case of not having counter offers yet with the recruiter? I had a very good rating as an intern so technically I should have more bargaining power, I assume
      Sep 11, 2017
  • Airbnb gwiC88
    No. Hiring manager can't determine your comp
    Sep 11, 2017 6
    • Airbnb gwiC88
      Comps are banded by levels and usually determined by a compensation committee. Recruiters have ranges in which they can negotiate after that compensation is determined. So unless you're pushing to be releveled or plan to reject your offer, 99% chance your hiring manager can't help you.
      Sep 12, 2017
    • Yahoo zdv52x
      Comp is banded by level, but the bands are very broad and have a wide range. Hiring managers make the recommendation for comp and can ask the committee for exceptions to the bands. Recruiters do not determine comp. Recruiters make the recommendation to the hiring manager. Saying "99% hiring manager can't help" isn't true. They're pretty much the only person that can change the offer. And there smaller the company the more power the hiring manager has.
      Sep 12, 2017
    • Airbnb gwiC88
      You have no idea what you're talking about
      Sep 13, 2017
    • Airbnb gwiC88
      The hiring manager at Facebook doesn't determine the comp
      Sep 13, 2017
    • Yahoo zdv52x
      Unless Facebook has changed something, what I said is correct. It is definitely correct for Airbnb, Yahoo, LinkedIn, and a bunch of other companies.
      Sep 13, 2017
  • Microsoft / Eng
    AmlEvil

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    The thing is, the recruiter can't determine the compensation, either (if anything, the manager might have more of a say).

    Why are they the go-between? I feel like it's a tactic to isolate you from the real decision-makers. Ick.
    Sep 11, 2017 0
  • Intuit wUVe67
    I feel like negotiations are best done over the phone. Why don't you call the recruiter?
    Sep 11, 2017 3
    • Facebook / Eng tTTyuwv
      OP
      Yeah some say so. I'm not totally confident about talking over the phone. Got any tips on how to get the most out of a phone conversation?
      Sep 11, 2017
    • HouseCanary rBqo26
      I would not get on the phone with a trained salesperson to negotiate an offer. That's bad news, unless you think you can out-negotiate him/her.
      Sep 11, 2017
    • Intuit wUVe67
      I just completed a negotiation over the phone last week and accepted the offer. My advice would be to know clearly what you're asking for and WHY (back up with solid reasons like current pay, market rate etc), and lastly what you're willing to accept. Give it to them clearly and directly - they will have to check with so-and-so and then come back likely somewhere in the middle.

      For me, they asked "what am I looking for compensation", I replied "this salary range, this bonus structure, and this equity". They came back with lower. I negotiated saying I would like at least the low end of the salary range plus a signing bonus. They met me in the middle (it was like 3k difference so I was good with that) plus a signing bonus that wasn't initially offered.

      Long story short...no what you're willing to accept, and try other variables to get ahead like signing bonus or extra vacation etc.
      Sep 11, 2017
  • Nvidia bleepbleep
    If you are not happy with recruiter's response, there is no harm in talking to hiring manager.
    Sep 11, 2017 0