Surviving PIP at amazon

Ericsson iCbo00
Jun 5 24 Comments

Does anyone know if there is a possibility to survive a PIP at amazon? Is there a possibility to not get PIP or oppose it by providing enough support for it. I have heard recently amazon has removed the pivoting against PIP thing? And now there are only two options accept PIP or accept severance?

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  • PayPal x ploy ted
    Yes you can survive PIP, but it means your performance has to change. Up to you whether that happens, the PIP spells out the details for you.
    Jun 5 3
    • Ericsson iCbo00
      OP
      I have heard in amazon the chances are low and it’s a sure shot way of firing the employee
      Jun 5
    • PayPal x ploy ted
      Why are you asking if you won’t listen to those who know? No wonder you are on a PIP.
      Jun 5
    • Amazon / Eng AmazonBoob
      Harsh but make sense
      Jun 5
  • HPE WCmF21
    PIP is performance impossible plan, most managers do it because HR won't allow them to fire the employee without notice. Getting out of it is usually extraordinarily hard, you will have to endure months of micro-managent and even the slightest misstep, accidental or deliberate, is counted against you. Amazon would be no different, it's happened at Google, Cisco, FB, etc.

    Even if you miraculously survive, it will take you 2 more years before u start receiving refreshers, bonuses, etc.

    Would recommend looking elsewhere.
    Jun 5 0
  • Amazon fhrusvsorp
    Don’t join
    Jun 5 1
    • Ericsson iCbo00
      OP
      Already joined and this is the situation 😔
      Jun 5
  • American Express D.BCooper
    I got off a PIP and am on an over-deliver track.

    Mostly communication issues and I told my boss that explaining things to her is a waste of time because she understands nothing. Turns out everyone knows shes dumb, just no one told her to her face
    Jun 6 0
  • Ericsson iCbo00
    OP
    Boss is saying that he has full confidence that the person will come out of it but i am not sure if the boss can be trusted
    Jun 5 2
    • Amazon Doby2468
      My two cents, for you/your friend to consider. People do emerge from PIP and go on to do well. That said, depending on the identified area for improvement, sometimes it can just be too hard.

      Making up an example, suppose one growth idea is to showcase ability to drive a project independently. Within a period of 2 months, it can be hard, if the person has to identify a project, scope or correctly, and execute on it. If you haven’t been able to do this in the months leading up to the PiP, i don’t see how you could magically be able to do this in 2 months. All the best!
      Jun 5
    • LinkedIn boringdude
      Stop pretending that it is your friend.
      Jun 5
  • Amazon 669
    Almost impossible..
    Whatever you do (especially design) some a**hole will find a negative thing about it..
    Jun 6 0
  • Amazon SeekingHLP
    Coming out of PIP is not impossible but have a very low probability. Remember, a manager has to do a lot of paperwork for this, and pushing low performers out of team is also considered positive for a manager, so extra motivation to manage someone out of the company.

    In summary, if you are in PIP, you are screwed (start looking outside), unless you are a long time Amazonian with good contacts.
    Jun 5 0
  • Amazon / Eng Benny Lava
    First of all, there is a quota. So if your friend survive another poor guy had to fail.

    Second of all, just because your friend got off doesn't mean he will not be back in very soon, or he will find a manager willing to take his transfer (mandatory transfer since bridge is burnt).

    Other companies give you easier task for the plan and more manager guidance. Amazon makes your work way harder and make sure you will fail, moving target so you fail, etc. It is your friend against another guy so the weakest link gets eliminated.

    Good luck.
    Jun 5 5
    • Ericsson YQTg40
      Thanks a lot for the information. The role is technical manager. This mandate of forced attrition is it for all roles?
      Jun 5
    • Ericsson YQTg40
      Do you know if there is still a way to oppose this. Is pivoting an option? In some other places posts say that pivot has been removed. Now you either accept the severance or accept the PIP
      Jun 5
    • Amazon / Eng Benny Lava
      All levels, but upper management is usually fired instead of pip
      Jun 6
    • Ericsson YQTg40
      So mean it can be opposed ?
      Jun 6
    • Ericsson YQTg40
      This being a Program role makes any difference
      Jun 6
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    What I see is that, you need to accept that it's the end of Amazon life and you can either use PIP to buy sometime for finding a new job or take the severance, if you could find the job before that.
    I have read stories that three are dirty secrets your manager would pull off even if you pass the PIP as a failure in PIP made by him, would affect his measures.

    So, there isn't a way to get out unless your manager gets booted. You could have escaped this when impromptu meeting for dev list happened. Often before the list is made, you could have interviewed for another team.

    So, to your question: No. You can buy some time yourself or have that money. And it's not often three months, the manager toolkit would have the PIP Severance Calculator and it's based on tenure.
    Jun 5 0
  • LinkedIn boringdude
    Stop pretending it’s for your friend. We all
    Know it is for you!

    And if you can’t post a genuine question on an anonymous forum you don’t deserve genuine answers either.
    Jun 5 0
  • LinkedIn boringdude
    Do they really offer severance pay? How much?
    And if it is a decent pay, why not go on a vacation and come back and work for a better company?!
    Jun 5 0
  • Ericsson YQTg40
    Yes
    Jun 5 0
  • Ericsson / Eng rawr🙈🙉
    This was for your friend correct? I think you made a post about it a couple of days ago?
    Jun 5 0