What would happen if Microsoft starts to offer competitive comp similar to FB/Google?

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Mar 31, 2018 49 Comments

Would the quality of its product drastically improve? Would its stock price also drastically improve?
Or nothing would happen?

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  • Microsoft TOVk00
    Please keep your leet coders to yourselves. We want humans making products for other humans, not code fanatics wanking over code purity.
    Mar 31, 2018 5
    • Square / Eng SQ
      .. except Microsoft in SF Bay literally is code fanatics asking leetcode. Exception is outlook iOS team that wants you to build them a 30 hour project to just talk to them.
      Mar 31, 2018
    • Microsoft TOVk00
      I'm sorry. Please accept my personal apologies. I hope you will find a more sensible team at another location.
      Mar 31, 2018
    • Microsoft trvl0
      Good answer
      Mar 31, 2018
    • New KnjJ83
      What are the qualities of a code fanatic wanking over code purity?
      Mar 31, 2018
    • Microsoft wlb
      This is really strange. Msft interviews also ask leetcode questions just like any other companies. No idea what you are talking about.
      Mar 31, 2018
  • Facebook Einsteinn
    No, the quality of its product is fine. The biggest impact would be that work life balance reduces
    Mar 31, 2018 0
  • Amazon yeehaw!
    Code fanatics wanking over code purity - this is awesome.
    Mar 31, 2018 11
    • Microsoft TOVk00
      Depends the team at Microsoft. I've seen both hazing and gentle mentoring,not in the same teams.
      Mar 31, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng corpcult
      CR at Microsoft is hit and miss. You'll have more iterations than ever with about 1/3 of them being to address legitimate concerns and improve maintainability and functionality. The rest are just drones demanding you add pointless log messages, assertions, etc.
      Apr 1, 2018
    • Microsoft wololoooo
      Log messages and assertions are not pointless though...
      Apr 1, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng corpcult
      When they're on every single line they can be pointless. Especially when it's always arbitrary boilerplate code, or assertions for each position in the stack. I'm all for assert, log, validate parameters first lest return. Calling important workload functions that do heavy lifting should have the full treatment. But when it's every other line, it adds up and becomes onerous as opposed to intelligent. Make the called code properly assert and log and everything else and stop worrying about doing so for everything that calls it.

      My point is that there are people in my experience that say these things to show that they contributed to code reviews. Not that the observations and recommendations they made contributed value to the correctness, maintainability, or performance of the code.
      Apr 1, 2018
    • Microsoft TOVk00
      How are asserts of any help in cloud services? You can't/should not ever hook a debugger to the live service.
      Apr 1, 2018
  • Google / Eng
    Ringa

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    Ringamore
    Offering high salary would probably increase its desirability among the applicant pool, at least for more people to choose to interview at Microsoft (so the offer can at least be used as a negotiation tool with other companies). To start stealing people from fb or google, they would also need to offer interesting challenges and career prospects.
    Mar 31, 2018 5
    • Microsoft kng
      I think we do. There's so many interesting green field projects in azure, AI&R, and hololens/devices. Hell, even office and dynamics and whatnot are pushing ML into their products
      Mar 31, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      Ringa

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      Ringamore
      I was thinking more about the reputation of Microsoft as a political place. If politics govern what people can work on and their advancement, this may be a huge deterrent to a lot of people.
      Mar 31, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      Ringa

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      Ringamore
      That and the relatively slow growth in employee count which probably mean slower growth for people who are looking for leadership position
      Mar 31, 2018
    • Microsoft kng
      Hasn't Google also massively slowed down employee count in the past year or two?
      Mar 31, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      Ringa

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      Ringamore
      Yes and I am leaving (not for growth reasons but for lack of empowerment reasons)

      Also, being better than Google on one of its worse characteristics won’t make Microsoft a great place to work at. It will just be less worse, but there will still be better places.
      Mar 31, 2018
  • Northrop Grumman / Eng Kolmogorov
    Not a damn thing 99% of us are replaceable
    Mar 31, 2018 3
    • Microsoft Wordbreak
      4 9’s. 99.99%
      Mar 31, 2018
    • Microsoft zcqs20
      Everybody is replaceable. The only question is the cost. Of course, it does not matter if one has an unlimited budget...
      Mar 31, 2018
    • LinkedIn / Eng hYt6_Rez
      and unlimited time
      Mar 31, 2018
  • Microsoft msold
    Comp has not helped Google or Fb build anything outside their competitive strength. Acquisitions or special founder attention has.

    Why would it help msft?
    Mar 31, 2018 3
    • Facebook Einsteinn
      Define competitive strength? I believe google is done a decent job of this, depending on how you define competitive strength
      Mar 31, 2018
    • Microsoft msold
      Not disagreeing only making the point that comp would not allow Bing to compete with Google just like the higher comp has not enabled Google to beat Office.

      First mover advantage and distribution strengths has been the biggest differentiator in these platform plays and you can't really buy these with comp.
      Mar 31, 2018
    • Microsoft / Sales
      Happynoob

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      Happynoobmore
      Google competitive strength, at least in the enterprise space is giving shit away for free....
      Apr 1, 2018
  • Microsoft surer
    Oracle cloud is doing exactly this - throwing money. I’d wait a year or two to see how that helped
    Mar 31, 2018 0
  • Microsoft KTNL11
    Everyone who makes decisions at Microsoft is too fucking old and has been around too long for Microsoft to make a good product. Lol. You would have the same old ass people making even more money. Maybe if they trimmed a little fat out of the middle, the lowbies can get extra cash and actually be able to do cool shit.
    Apr 1, 2018 3
    • Microsoft opti
      I agree. Everyone complains about pay and people are working bankers hours at best. Go to commons. Music playing, people are having 11 am lunches
      Apr 1, 2018
    • Microsoft KTNL11
      people in my org work 10 to 3 and complain about work life balance.
      Apr 1, 2018
    • Microsoft opti
      I accepted a different offer but I know they it will be more work but I look forward to being surrounded by driven people. Microsoft was great.
      Apr 1, 2018
  • Microsoft msold
    What would really help Microsoft is the culture of making big bets using a frugal approach and customer obsession. Sort of the Amazon model. Hard to buy these cultural aspects with money.

    We do see some successes already but more of this is needed.

    Under Ballmer Azure or AI initiatives or various new Office products would have been suffocated.
    Mar 31, 2018 2
    • Microsoft kng
      Azure started under daddy ball more
      Mar 31, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng AmIEwok
      Starting under a daddy’s ball does give a certain visual...
      Mar 31, 2018
  • Microsoft mochat
    Principal and above they already do. Everyone else is replaceable. Joking. We care about basic stuff like privacy, security, ethics, rights. And nobody here wants to work 20 hours a day. Life is too short
    Mar 31, 2018 1
    • Facebook Einsteinn
      Microsoft cares about ethics? This is hilarious. But I’d love to work at ma and work 15 hours a day!
      Apr 1, 2018
  • Microsoft opti
    Just because someone pays more does not mean we should. Its not possible for FB and Google to hire away everyone.
    Apr 1, 2018 0
  • Microsoft wlb
    They can do that anytime. Too many layers of fat on the top of the hierarchy!
    Mar 31, 2018 0
  • Oracle / Eng otLQ15
    Old timers will be kicked out first
    Mar 31, 2018 0
  • Coursetake
    ikbR08

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    ikbR08more
    Nothing would happen. In the way they technically do offer competing salaries. It’s a matter of leveling across companies. Leveling is a function of how you market and sell yourself during your interviews.
    Mar 31, 2018 0
  • Facebook public
    You'd have pitchforks from current employees and shareholder's.
    Mar 31, 2018 0
  • Microsoft a6397
    FAANGM
    Apr 1, 2018 0

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