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What's with the negativity towards skilled/H1B hires?

New QfYv02
Oct 26, 2017

Just read this article on Mercury News (Bay area newspaper) about reader reactions towards the recent further tightening in regards to H1B/L1 extensions:
http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/10/26/readers-weigh-in-on-new-h-1b-visa-rules/

While there's definitely plenty abuse by IT consultancies, I just fail to see how skilled migration can be seen as a zero sum game. America was built on migration and especially in tech it's been a good amount of migrants that founded a plethora of companies. I seriously doubt America has seen an economic loss or a net reduction in jobs when weighed against the additional jobs that were created in the process.

I get it when blue collar workers moan about unskilled illegal migrants taking away their job (though even there I doubt we'd see many locals pick grapes in Napa), but just don't see how college educated folks don't see the benefits of skilled migration.

Thoughts ?

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  • Apple Tony r
    H1b sucks and they should get rid of it and replace it with a better system that either offers permanent residency or not get people into the country and shit on them till they live here
    Oct 26, 20170
  • Microsoft / Eng20% raise
    High skill immigration is good. Low skill is bad.

    Of course anyone who barely meets the bar of being high skilled is going to be concerned when there are better candidates. Tough.

    The US has gained so much from attracting the best talent into one spot. Some of the biggest tech companies were founded in part by foreigners.
    Oct 26, 20173
    • New / Other💩🎯🌎🙉g
      This whole founded by immigrants is true 20 years back. It isn't that true today. People have to fight the system to start. Many are stuck in the eternal h1b renewal cycle that they won't be able to start their company before they die. Heck more than 50% of people in skilled visa line can't get green card before they die.

      I know at least few h1 holders who are very enterprising and they started company with 'gc holder' who skimmed them.
      Oct 27, 2017
    • Microsoft / Eng20% raise
      If you have to fight the system to start then you're probably not actually high skill.

      I came from poverty but made my own consulting business at 18 making 50+ USD/hr to put myself through college.
      Oct 28, 2017
    • New / Otherpthalus
      Please don't tell me that I have no skills to fight. Growing up, I never had access to quality water. So many days, I have stood in line to get 20-30 gallons of water for the whole week. I made a business to sell water when I was 12. Counting how many mosquito larvae was in water was my pastime when I washed myself. So many days, I have studied for my exams with nothing more than candle light throughout the night, because there was no power. This town where I grew up, was well known for its bad water and for people getting kidney stones due to the bad water than anything else.

      At college, My whole discretionary spending for a week was 3rs. That is 6 cents. It buys a tea that tastes like water. I barely bought books, never spent money on photocopying anything, wrote everything taught in class on notebook to save money.

      I ran a company when I was at my undergrad, which made more than my first job (in India). I quit it to move to US to do my masters. Please hell no - don't tell me I have no skills. If you tell me there are others with better skills than me, I will agree with you 100%. I am not egoistic to think I am awesome. Time and again , the world has taught me there are people with more adversity than me and I have lots to learn from people who go through more challenging situations than me.

      I know you are very proud of working your ass off at 18. When you were 18, if you were never allowed to work by the government, how could you have put yourself through college? That's what h4 kids of these parents face today.
      Oct 28, 2017
  • Microsoft Jim Raynor
    We want skilled foreigner workers to help other parts of the world. We are doing fine in America, not needed here anymore.
    Oct 27, 20172
    • New QfYv02
      OP
      See! exactly that part I don't get at all. What makes you think they are not needed when there's an actual engineering shortage? Sure, I agree STEM education and greater diversity should be encouraged to increase the amount of local talent. But those are both long term plays for the most part.
      Oct 27, 2017
    • Microsoft Jim Raynor
      There is no engineering shortage. Many companies keep giving low rewards based on a curve and many engineers are forced to apply externally to get a better compensation. Many engineers have to try several startups in hope of monetization.
      Oct 27, 2017
  • SK hynix qOPL45
    I have nothing against or for H1B, just that more labor would reduce pay and increase housing costs. Nothing personal about it.
    Oct 26, 20171
    • New QfYv02
      OP
      Frankly with tech growing as it is you'll see housing cost increase either way also not seeing a race to the bottom salary wise either (are you?). High housing cost could be easily mitigated if more housing would be made available. I used to live in Hong Kong, Shenzhen and Shanghai for a few years and it'd be extremely uncommon to see any buildings with less than six floors anywhere in a 15-25 mile radius from downtown. In the Bay area on the other hand most buildings I see have two maybe three floors. It's ludicrous.
      Oct 27, 2017
  • Microsoft NzBF33
    The comments reflect anger at the explosion in the cost of US education that has left many students beset by debt, combined with abuse by consulting companies. Unfortunately a better system will require not just executive actions but legislation in Congress. And as The Capitol Steps say: “Progress is the opposite of Congress”.
    Oct 26, 20170
  • New VJOG50
    Because a lot of Indians I met are emotional and this type of BS bothers them. Not knowing how to control the emotions ,they start spreading the BS and go all out to clear their name. It's easy to win an argument with them, just press the nerve and 🐒 is out!
    Oct 26, 20172

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