Would you supports real fix to the greencard queue if it meant cancelling in flight applications?

Amazon tertel
Sep 19, 2018 36 Comments

The current queue is a result of a big hole in the immigration law where it's way, way too easy to get an i140 approved. Most of the people with approved i140 are not really high quality immigrants. SOME are top engineers working at FANG-like tech companies, but a LOT are third rate applications from consulting chop shops.

Suppose we got real reform for the process which would adopt a points system and eliminate the waiting queue for everyone.

Would you support going through the existing queue and giving greencard ONLY to the people in the queue who qualify under a new, much tougher points system? In other words likely denying 80 percent of the applications and approving the top 20%.

One way to accomplish this would be to introduce a new system but in parallel let the existing applicants continue under the current country cap rules, ie, the hundred years wait, and even make it longer by subtracting any visas awarded through the cap exempt points category (so the existing queue priority date might only regress).

Within the existing queue the people who qualify under the new process with no country cap but a tough bar could immediately refile their application under the new rules, maybe get a waiver on the filing fee, and then get a quick greencard, while the non qualifying people would just languish for the next hundred years.

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  • Amazon / Eng
    ime&myself

    Amazon Eng

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    ime&myselfmore
    Your employment at FANG makes you koe qualified than others at a chop shop? I've worked for Infosys, a chop shop, a non- FANG company, and now at Amazon in that order.

    Trust me the work on the retail side of amazon is nothing i haven't seen before. Can't comment on aws as I have not worked for AWs. There are other companies that operate round the clock with global traffic with > 100 tps throughout.
    Sep 19, 2018 9
    • Facebook coffee?
      @tertel - I totally agree, but you’re digressing. Your question was whether a merit based points system should be considered ahead of the existing queue. Degree, compensation, etc. were merely examples of what could be considered in said points system.
      Sep 19, 2018
    • Amazon tertel
      OP
      Yeah we're debating what that points system should look like. Anyway we should have one and use it to cull the queue and get fast greencards for the people who make the cut.
      Sep 19, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      ime&myself

      Amazon Eng

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      ime&myselfmore
      A more measurable way is an exam like SAT they levels everyone.
      Sep 19, 2018
    • Amazon tertel
      OP
      Yeah that would be good. Actually I would like two visa tracks, one for fresh grads straight out of school with no experience. Take the top ten percent by score, let them find whatever job they want. Then a second track for people who proved their worth on the job, based on comp at a good company after five years experience.
      Sep 19, 2018
    • Facebook coffee?
      One can dream. :(
      Sep 19, 2018
  • CVS Health WhybutWait
    Who the fuck are you to decide that most of the i140 approved candidates are not high quality immigrants. USCIS (with all it's flaws) has approved their application as they are the authority.

    As far as your great idea is concerned, let's let the experts do their jobs in a fair legal, lasting manner rather fix something immediately and arrive at a similar/same problem, 20 years down the line. Glad you are not in any public service.
    Sep 19, 2018 3
    • Amazon tertel
      OP
      The current rules, used to approve those applications, are a total joke. It would be a huge problem if the country cap weren't limiting it, and that's obviously more of a plug in a hole than a solution since it hurts the good people in the queue.
      Sep 19, 2018
    • Intel HRC
      ^^body shop aka WITCH employee spotted🙂
      Sep 19, 2018
    • CVS Health WhybutWait
      Intel, your conjecture skills are off the charts. Please get it checked.
      Sep 20, 2018
  • Uber poorpool
    indian scam company like infosys is the root cause
    Sep 19, 2018 0
  • Xilinx miaomiaomi
    But But ... The top talents should had get O1 visa and EB1 GC.
    Sep 19, 2018 3
    • Uber / Eng
      jH3ndu

      Uber Eng

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      jH3ndumore
      But it's not based on TC.
      Sep 19, 2018
    • Amazon tertel
      OP
      Yeah O1 is based on completely meaningless stuff like PhD, awards and citations which if you are an SDE has absolutely nothing to do with whether you are good at your job.

      All you need to be an SDE in terms of qualifications is an undergrad degree in CS or a related engineering field and you don't even need that if you somehow learn CS fundamentals elsewhere. After that it's about your ability to deliver complex software and not whether you are good at school.

      No tech company hires you because you have some journal citations or patents if you can't leetcode and talk intelligently about scale, testing, and operations.
      Sep 19, 2018
    • Xilinx miaomiaomi
      What you are talking sound familiar. Sounds like what an H1 should be.
      Sep 19, 2018
  • Uber / Eng
    jH3ndu

    Uber Eng

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    jH3ndumore
    I think we can simply implement a income heap.
    Every year N people with highest income in past Y years will be rewarded GC and pull out from the heap.
    All H1b applicants will be pushed to the heap if income higher than min.
    Existing H1bs with lowest income should be deported to keep the pool size less than fixed number.
    Sep 19, 2018 0
  • Uber / Eng
    jH3ndu

    Uber Eng

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    jH3ndumore
    Cancel existing H1bs with low income. <100k or 200k you name it.
    Sep 19, 2018 0
  • Microsoft / Eng Eibfje
    And why do people keep posting about immigration policies that are not going to change 🤦🏻‍♂️
    Sep 19, 2018 0
  • Lending Club $IPO
    OP: Looks like you are screwed big time and I sincerely hope and pray that you will have to go back to india or Canada because you will never get GC here, keep dreaming of screwing the non faang guys but reality is you are screwed
    Sep 19, 2018 1
    • Amazon tertel
      OP
      I have my greencard, came from "rest of world".

      I sympathize with my Indian colleagues who deserve better than they are getting and also don't want to see people from my country end up in a stupid wait.

      But for myself personally I'm set.
      Sep 19, 2018
  • New Maga..
    Chop shops from India have gamed the US immigration for decades and as a result you have to wait for 100 yrs for GC. To fix it USCIS should reevaluate the current I140 approvals and decline 3rd rate applications
    Sep 19, 2018 1
    • Jet.com / Other
      gtfoorgtfo

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      gtfoorgtfomore
      Dude, every single one applicant is qualified when you look at the papers. You don’t know if a guy is trash unless you work with them for a while.
      Sep 19, 2018
  • Google tahrirshah
    Again, I am fairly sure thinking 10 minutes someone can get better ideas. As far as changing laws is concerned, it's not about the smartest, it is about what can pass.

    There are so many actors/entities here, to whom your solution should be agreeable, else your intellectual orgasm is as good as mine.

    Here are the actors:
    Business - why would they move from current to new one.
    Anti immigrant groups - cis, fair and others
    Immigrant groups - there isn't any serious one here which has presence in hill other than immigration voice as far as high skilled immigration is concerned.
    Republican - why would they support your idea.
    Democrats - will this make it impossible for them to further undocumented immigration? Likely yes.
    Effectively this is computing highest common factor in terms of what is palatable to each group.

    Again, this is just the ideation phase. Now you need to bankroll and then push your agenda to all the parties above and make them agree. You also hire lobbyist and push the agenda around. Immigrants, especially those in backlog, will expect someone else to solve their problem and are mostly noactioners, who think they can't have a voice, so let someone else do (to be clear - you can still talk to reps and ask for support).

    As you can see, ideas are cheap as far as hill is concerned. It has dearth of ideas that can pass - because the system is optimized for status quo.

    As you understand how the political system works, you will start to realize how there is a huge disconnect between 'intellectual orgasms' and reality.

    If coming up with ideas can get your bad feelings about the broken system out of your system, do it to flush it out of your body. But realize that it will never help you and most of your smart ideas won't ever live to see being as a text in a bill, forget about getting passed.
    Sep 19, 2018 0
  • Citadel Securities / Eng
    wagecuck2

    Citadel Securities Eng

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    wagecuck2more
    Any sane points-based system would give workers points for years of experience since people with more years of experience tend to have more skills and more valuable specialized knowledge. So most of the non-FANG people you write off in such a cavalier fashion would still qualify for a green card in such a system. Immigration isn't based on your IQ, but what you have to offer, and the people who worked hard for years to develop valuable skills despite their lack of talent should have a path to citizenship.
    Sep 19, 2018 3
    • Amazon tertel
      OP
      Actually most points systems bias in favor of younger people who will start families. In Canada's points system for example you lose points for more years, not gain.
      Sep 19, 2018
    • Citadel Securities / Eng
      wagecuck2

      Citadel Securities Eng

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      wagecuck2more
      It's true that you can lose points from being older but you also gain points from having work experience in a field that's in demand.
      Sep 19, 2018
    • Amazon tertel
      OP
      And I think up to about 5yrs experience is worth offering points for. After that I think it's better to look for a measure of success like comp, or promotions, rather than counting years.

      If I look at somebody's resume and they have been doing the same job for fifteen years is a big negative to me. I would reject them in favor of somebody who has gotten a couple of promotions in that time frame.

      A guy with two promotions in five years impresses me a lot more than a guy with three promotions in 20.
      Sep 19, 2018
  • Intel / Eng
    democrap

    Intel Eng

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    looking to connect with professionals in HW design, Hw acceleration, Autonomous vehicles
    democrapmore
    I don't think any immigration reform(that would help legal immigrants) is gonna happen until GOP has substantial majority in Senate and the house
    Sep 19, 2018 1
    • Lending Club Pamphlet!
      Fake, they already have good majority
      Sep 20, 2018
  • PayPal Yokohama
    First clear the queue by giving the green card to everyone who is here irrespective of where they are working. It’s a tiny fraction of the US population.
    I am sure they will contribute to the economy positively!

    Then let the new policies kick in so that it makes sure it’s not misused like how it was done earlier!
    Sep 19, 2018 1
    • Amazon tertel
      OP
      Why, I don't want to admit a bunch of low quality immigrants and thereby have to make other better applicants wait.

      Take only the good people from the queue and send the rest packing.
      Sep 19, 2018
  • Jet.com / Other
    gtfoorgtfo

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    gtfoorgtfomore
    Make everyone fill out a questionnaire with only one question: “Is India a great country?” Those who answered yes should pack and leave.
    I’m hearing this BS almost every day.
    Sep 19, 2018 0

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