do you feel like google offers are competitive, or underwhelming?
Need to show competing offers, else expect a huge lowball. Down leveling guaranteed.
You might even have to pay them a ‘cover charge’ to join
Both, the problem is that you need competing offers to even budge and even then can’t compete with FB offers, usually
Got $410k at L5. Turned down easily
Turned down for what?
Is it just me or others too feel this is extremely arrogant of Google to implicitly force you to go through the extra grind of other interviews and competing offers to have them pay you what you are worth?!
This isn’t something special to google and it just makes business sense to do it. Google’s candidate pipeline is far higher than most companies, they don’t need to start at a high baseline offer. Btw, Netflix does something similar although their baseline is high. Even while you work at Netflix, you’re encouraged to interview elsewhere and show those offers to ask for a raise. If google is arrogant with offers, then Facebook is arrogant enough to think that they can provide you with shit wlb and if you complain, you’re out. Arrogance isn’t the word i’d use in either of these cases.
Down leveling is literally like asking people to pay you to join you. Literally. There is no logical difference. It is very arrogant of any company to do that and everyone must refuse it so they learn their lesson that they are not some kind of club with membership fee. They are employer and supposed to be paying us, not other way around.
Google's the type to lowball you to death if Google happens to be your dream job and you have nothing else. On the other hand, if you've got competing offers you're juggling with and are a negotiating ninja, they'll throw surprisingly large offers at you.
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