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I saw a few Principal PMs and principal PM managers from Microsoft join snowflake as Sr. PMs. Why the hell would they do that this makes no sense. Snowflake also has no prestige to demand this I think. MSFT azure business has a stronger brand also. Some of them joined before market crash /layoffs so it can’t be that. Anyone know why so many people falling into this trap? Do they just pay really high for senior? Tc: 200k
One msft principal pm manager with less than 10 yoe lied on resume and LinkedIn that he was a partner director. Got hired as director at Snowflake after fixing reference checks. He later got exposed after the fraud was discovered.
Titles are nonsense. Compare TC.
This must be fun. Microsoft is notorious for down leveling when you join them. Can’t imagine the plight of someone who goes to snowflake from Microsoft and again is down leveled
This is not the new MSFT. Right now they up level you to match the market pay.
Money > Title Also they were likely over leveled at Microsoft. They must have tried for same level at various companies but didn’t get though. So they took the best (or only) offer they got at a lower level. Edit (over not under)
Microsoft principal is a 350k package at most for most of the people. Snowflake senior is 450+. Wish title paid for my bills. Also in many orgs at Microsoft principal titles are distributed like anything. So it doesn't matter
There are three principle levels at Microsoft (65-67). Which one pays 350k?
65 pays 350k
Because Microsoft pays 🥜🥜🥜
Microsoft Principal PM will go to Google as Senior PM…title is bs
MSFT pay is WITCH tier. For someone who is jumping from MSFT a 200-300K bump in TC feels like a lot in responsibility, so they get scared and down level themselves.
Levels at Snowflake tend to skew lower, check levels.fyi Nobody gets an up level.
Use your brain, why would they join? Won’t they have done this basic comparison? Have you checked levels.fyi?
I did. And their leveling seems like bullying. Also know people who fall 2+ levels outside of levels.fyi mapping moving from Microsoft to snowflake which is ridiculous