Do you agree? Here is the text: Use Amzn PIP escape method -----Shared on Amazon forum please copy and distribute------- (Internal Mantra to keep on loop when dealing with your Amazon / AWS manager is "the lying liar lieth and still they lie their lies" which can help frame and guard your level of communication.) You need to forget about all work for Amazon except giving the appearance of doing bare minimum - start coasting that skit banana funded work right now!! Concentrate fully on interview prep and lining up external interviews with employers or if you are on visa then only visa sponsoring employers. Lets assume that you are in USA and have one year of penitude / servitude completed with Amazon / AWS so then you are eligible for paid FMLA leave..... this is a well trodden path (its Amazon so there are plenty of medics who will sign off around the WA HQ) so you will have no problems. You do NOT WAIT for PIP but you start now whilst in Focus and your approach should be: 1) Dev List / Focus / Coaching which is the stealth tracking period where your manager does not need to even inform you that they are working against you and coercing your colleagues and others for anything negative (only the negative) against you and measuring you up for a PIP to the head.... you are also blocked from internal transfer without unobtainable VP override. 2) During the above get your medic to listen to your droning about the (external) stress and mental anguish that you are feeling and so unable to focus and meet your tough Amazon / AWS goals ... also ask if they can sign off or refer you to a therapist who can do so urgently as the stress is ubearable (use the phrase unbearable stress and anguish and specifically also say that you need some weeks away from it under FMLA)... FMLA evidence flag is set... FMLA important caveat / proTip: when laying a paper trail of stress and anguish you must make sure you DO NOT say that it is *due to work.* Instead it must be framed as mental health struggles that have flared recently and are preventing you from focusing on your work. Both your psych AND the leave administration company will deny FMLA if you tell them it is *because of* work. (Tip from soCri$p) 3) Amazon manager presents you with Pivot document and you have 5 days to choose Tier 1 severance or take PIP plan.... BANG this is where you submit FMLA into the DLS portal before the 5 days decision period is expired (DLS team need a day or so to respond to you so get this rolling at the start of the Amazon Pivot decision window) and then go on leave. Your backstabbing Amazon / AWS manager and HR cannot intervene if you do this as it is a separate team and *federal* mandated leave. The whole decison window for Pivot / PIP is now mandatorily paused beyond their control.... if it was within their control then they would of course be trying to sink you at every opportunity - its Amazon! 4) Get FMLA paperwork completed by the medic who you have already lined up and prepped earlier and submit that supporting material into the DLS team. 5) Tear through your interview preparation and job hunting networking to hiring companies and dont even consider one hour of work for Amazon... extend FMLA through renewal with the medic up to 12 weeks and throw in caring for family member as that is FMLA allowable too if your family are stressed that you are stressed.... so now you have taken 16 weeks of paid FMLA leave on Amazon's frugal dime. (FMLA is partly paid if u also file for Short term disability) 6) Burn through any paid PTO and sick days before returning to work too as only unused vacation time will be cashed out upon exit. 7) Accept the job offer from a better employer (there are so many compared to Amazon / AWS that if you throw a rock then you will hit upon one), which you undoubtedly will already have received by this time. 8) If you are on a visa then get the visa transfer process rolling under premium processing by the new employer. 9) Return to Amazon / AWS and take the maximum Tier 1 severance option instead of PIP, since every step after not taking that decision reduces the exit payout from frugal Amazon severely. 10) Cash the Tier 1 severance from Amazon and the sign on bonus from your new visa sponsoring employer and roll around on the floor surrounded by hundred dollar bills. 11) Return to Blind and tell the community all about it..... not forgetting to add your new TC tax to the post!!! Bonus level... 12) Rock it like a superstar and position yourself onto hiring panels in your new employer and never ever let an ex-Amazon/AWS manager get through..... your new colleagues will thank you. :-D Fifty percent of new hires gone within a year and average tenure only eighteen months.... hence the RSU vest after two years and tiny low 401K match from third year. Most folks will not see a big chunk of that TC (Frugality Leadership Principle). Rule 1 = Avoid Amazon / AWS Rule 2 = Avoid any companies which hire ex Amazon / AWS managers Rule 3 = Follow Rule 1 and In your next company join the hiring panels to keep Rule 2 enforced It is the way...... and in dealing with Amazon it is a very common well travelled way... happy trails.
This post should be pinned
😂😂
I'm going to print it out and keep it in my if I ever need it folder. But let's be real, I'm probably never going to make it to big tech.
“I feel sorry for you” “I don’t think about you at all.”
I have this saved in my notes somewhere just in case the day ever comes.
Is there any similar process in India? I think this is only applicable for the US.
How’s the PIP culture in India ?
Agree with this. Within 4-5 months at Amazon, I knew it was not the place for me. Ended up putting in my 2 week notice and my director gave me a few extra months to find another job. I coasted during that time as I knew I was just helping their stats and I was getting paid for doing nothing. Worked out on both sides.
Why was it not the place for you?
What stats pls?
I’m thriving at Amazon. Making 400K+ with just 7 years experience. lol at this post
8 YOE and 690k. Next year 740k. Also free food. Massages. And 11.5k 401k match that instantly vests . 20 PTO per year and unlimited sick days off. Please get out of the Amazon c*ckhold
Don't mogg him so hard
God bless the person who wrote this 🙏🙏
OP must really hate Amazon, not sure how to do same with my company.
I hope, I must have read this post earlier.
This tactic will work at any large enough company. Note that the max length of FMLA can be much more than 12 weeks, but your pay during this time depends on company policy for the company. Same with RSU vesting.
hypothetically can you do this every year at a new company if you switch yearly? just trying to see how plausible this is
You need to work at the company for a whole year before going on FMLA, but apart from that - yes AFAIK
Or. Just don’t suck at being an Engineer, and none of this applies to you.
So the 6% getting PIPed at amazon, many of whom are successful at the other companies they work at aren't real engineers? Is this psych common at Roblox? Or is this just you?
The suckers who think they are so high performant that they are immune to BS corporate policies, are the ones who complain the most upon a layoff. The rest of the world sees what these policies are: BS. And they game it. There is no reason to play fair against corporations who are against setting policies against you.