A Teacher and a Doctor
“Two overnight shifts at a San Francisco hospital will pay me the same as an entire month of my work as an Oakland public school teacher. How can it be 36 hours of respiratory checks, switching antibiotics, and attending newborn deliveries to make sure babies are breathing is the equivalent to about 200 hours of classroom planning and executing the instruction and supports that shape the future of our citizens and this country? This is an almost scandalous misallocation of our societal resources.” https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/On-doctoring-teaching-and-schoolteacher-13634481.php
You clearly don’t know about moats and barriers. If they could create an association that rewards certifications to teachers only after ridiculous number of years or studies and limits totals awarded every year, teachers could increase their salary many fold.
This is probably the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted. All jobs can be argued to be equally important. You NEED people to collect garbage and you NEED people to be heart surgeons. If you think they both should get equally paid the. You will have no heart surgeons.
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Garbage collectors in NYC average 5hrs/day on 6 figures
One key difference stands out; in medicine, the work you do is scrutinized and you're held accountable by various boards, patients and the public alike. In teaching, mediocrity is far more acceptable, because "teaching is subjective" and "you get out what you put in." Teachers should be treated better - start with disbanding the union, encouraging different/custom teaching style creativity and overall let the market decide.
Exactly, disband the union. That's what's causing the shortage of teaches
Looks like you have no idea how economics work. It’s all demand and supply.
Yeah she doesn't get it lol. Also the unions prevent free market economics from fixing exactly these kind of problems
There’s no teacher shortage in most of the US? Schools aren’t putting under-qualified teachers in positions to make up for the gap?
Hey I have an Idea. Tell that teacher to become a doctor. All they have to do complete a 4-year undergraduate degree program, spend 4 years in medical school provided they get in, and then complete 3-7 years of residency training before they are eligible for medical licensing. Problem solved
The author of this Op-Ed did that.
Good for her
Actually this thread should be responded with just “ Yeah. And?”
She's trying to peddle socialism lol, but it completely and utterly backfired 😂
Nah, socialism would be free optional ongoing education for everyone with personalized curriculum and with schools run directly by committees of teachers and parents with no separate administrator layer. In this post I’m nearly trying to peddle that teachers should be paid better and schools should be better for students in the context of existing capitalist society.
Read the article, says nothing about how this problem came about or what to do to fix it.
Hahahhahahahahhahhahahhah, is the argument that teachers and doctors should be paid the same? Janitors are also required for civilization, pretty much any job is if you get down to it. Doesn't have any application on pay.
"Democratic socialism" for you 😉 This is what you'd get in Alexandria Ocasio Cortez's America 😂
Teacher's pension (full salary till death) and medical insurance worth millions of dollars when they retire. If you divide that by the number of years served this is 100-200k$ extra per year. In total comp most teachers earn more than most of 🌲 fiddy engineers.
Demand vs supply. Looks like the author doesn't know how economic processes work 😉 As more people flock to the high paying doctor/nurse jobs, their pay will drop. Oh and btw don't cherry pick comparisons - the teachers who teach the best of our future citizens are compensated quite well for it. The teachers at better rated school districts earn a lot more, the most prestigious private schools pay quite a bit more too. And before you say there may be an Einstein-in-the-making lurking in Oakland or other areas - there are programs to identify and provide scholarships to gifted students so they can move to a better environment.
california has a desperate need for teachers. https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/21/teacher-shortages-persist-in-california-and-getting-worse-in-many-communities/amp/ “Three-quarters of the 25 districts surveyed said they were unable to fill all their vacant positions with fully credentialed teachers by the time school started this year. Two-thirds of the districts said they had to hire teachers on temporary permits and those who had received waivers from regular credentialing requirements.”
This is why state sponsored schemes don't work. Privatise it and all shortages would be gone, teachers would be paid market rates too 😉 I don't blame them - why should a teacher choose to work in one of the worse public school districts when a prestigious private school or good public school district offers better career growth, is less bougee, and pays more? I'd keep applying to them every year if I were a teacher stuck in one of these districts.