Tech IndustryFeb 10, 2020
IntuitGmWQ78

Apple and AWS offer

Im a SWE2 going into Senior SWE at Intuit after 3.5 years of experience. I have a good standing within the company and am overall "satisfied" with life ATM. I found that the innovation at Intuit and the growing bureaucracy was driving me crazy enough to look elsewhere. I have two offers after 6 months of leet coding. Apple (SF BAY AREA): The Apple team is giving me an ICT3 offer (from their POV, it was the best choice and I think so too -- would love some feedback here). I absolutely killed the interviews and have some leverage with an AWS offer as well. The team seems super cool and everyone has been professional. They claim that they will match whatever I would like within reason for compensation, but they will only negotiate ONCE with VPs and directors to approve a better compensation package. Their first offer was 140 Base, 105 RSUs split over 4 years and 20-30K for a sign on bonus. Anything higher than the above needs approval from higher management. I could use some advice for negotiating a better offer! My recruiter even hinted that I should be asking for one anyway. My friends tell me to ask for 190 base, 200 RSUs and 50K sign on bonus (shoot for the moon I suppose -- entirely unrealistic from the data points collected on blind). Any help would be appreciated. Im trying to be as vague as possible and sharing as little direct information as I can. Perhaps there is a better strategy to negotiate an offer. AWS(SF BAY AREA): My recruiter is extremely pushy. They want me to come in at an SDE 1 (even though I interviewed for an SDE2 position). The recruiter refuses to give me a written offer until I get the "final numbers" from Apple. The AWS team that I interviewed for is incredibly cool and would be within a technology that has a lot of up and coming traction. Needless to say, I am more excited about the learning/lessons to be had at AWS and am skeptical about the culture and compensation. Also, 3.5 years of experience and I get an entry level position? Not that it matters too much if the compensation is there, but wow. Is this an offer worth considering for the technical interest? Is that worth a potential 100K loss in comp? Will AWS budge if Apple makes a great offer? My heart is torn because both situations are solid from the outside perspective. Please help! #aws #apple #negotiate #offer #compensation

Intuitive Surgical yololehihu Feb 10, 2020

Apple

Intuit GmWQ78 OP Feb 11, 2020

Give a reason

Intuitive Surgical yololehihu Feb 11, 2020

If software role in hardware related org, go with Apple. Much better products. If software only, depends on org. Apple’s HID, CoreOS, CoreMotion, CoreAI and Photos/Camera orgs are pretty great. Avoid wireless. Amazon, I’m not sure but I heard PIP is pretty bad.

Amazon UEUW26 Feb 10, 2020

Aws at high end sde1 is about 170k

New
_kangaroo Feb 11, 2020

Isn't it for sure higher in the bay? OP didn't give offer locations, so I assumed both offers were bay area.

Intuit GmWQ78 OP Feb 11, 2020

Updated with SF Bay

Express Scripts htkx70 Feb 10, 2020

Apple hands on

Intuit GmWQ78 OP Feb 11, 2020

I believe the phrase is hands down sir/madame

Amazon wamaHooHoo Feb 11, 2020

Whatever be the phrase - you get the message

Facebook timApple6 Feb 10, 2020

What org is the Apple team in? AI/Ml?

Intuit GmWQ78 OP Feb 11, 2020

I dont want to be specific.

Facebook Nutella3 Feb 11, 2020

Well the overall org has a factor in how much you can negotiate. Feel free to dm.

Microsoft wxreality Feb 11, 2020

Regardless of what your choose, congrats on the offers :)

Intuit GmWQ78 OP Feb 11, 2020

Thanks diggity dog

Facebook gind Feb 11, 2020

Ask Apple for 150/150/75 and take it.

Intuit GmWQ78 OP Feb 11, 2020

Decent suggestion. Why that split? Why not higher base>

Facebook gind Feb 11, 2020

The cap base is at 165K for ICT3. They wont offer more than 160k as you wont get any hike till you make it to ICT4 which generally takes around 3 years. Apple doesnt give high RSUs. They have decent referesher though.

Ciena blessed❤️ Feb 11, 2020

Apple offered 105k RSU per year or 105/4 ? Also which location?

Intuit GmWQ78 OP Feb 11, 2020

Updated. 105/4 years

Ciena blessed❤️ Feb 11, 2020

RSU’s seem low to be honest. Push for 150k RSU and 160k base

F5 Networks z!gdy3 Feb 11, 2020

Op, which team role do you like better if both packages are identical?

Rally Health FUPayMe$$ Feb 15, 2020

Op, any updates?

Microsoft TeamAlpha Feb 18, 2020

If it’s Apple Media Products (AMP), run away, a very stinky culture and horrible wlb (worse than amazon, was there).

Microsoft ahqndowm Apr 2, 2020

What about the culture would you say that? I’m considering a role there

Yelp FreeSmoke Apr 18, 2020

Same, I would love if you could elaborate on the bad culture. I'm considering.