Offers from AMZN for a L8 Director role (not so interesting area) and from GOOG for a Group Product Manager role (really interesting area) - comp offered is comparable and I don't care as much about money anyhow. Which of the 2 is deemed higher by the industry? Would I be foolish to let go of an AMZN L8 role just bcz the GOOG role is more interesting? Or you recommend take the AMZN role, stick it out for a year and move internally to an interesting role? 12 YOE, L67 @ Microsoft.
Congrats, those are great positions! I'd go for Amazon, lots of influence and you're basically set for life. Can you share how you got such a high position only with 12 yoe? What was your path?
Congrats! Both are good - but my friends at Amazon speak highly of their L8s. Can definitely corroborate the high impact bit. And with 12 YOE - that’s commendable for a lateral hire. The rising stars I know have done it in 10-11 years internally. And yes - TC?
TC or GTFO
Pretty cool.. Amazon Director would be a better option IF u r willing to work ur butt out. The rewards i.e. learning management, leadership, growing business will be amazing. Google on other hand will give u good WLB and not burn u out. Ur turn to share wisdom 😀 pretty awesome u hit L67 so fast assuming u came out of college and joined at L60. How big is the team u run ..since Amazon expects Directors to run large sized groups. Usually L67 goes to Amazon or Google at L7
Is GPM L7 or L7.5 at Google? Recruiter gave a weird answer, don't think there is such a thing called 7.5?
GPM is L7.5
What's the TC breakdown for Amazon, if you don't mind? I've never seen an L8 offer before
Is it AWS or dotCOM? If AWS, go that route. You will likely learn and produce a lot more cool stuff.
Take L8
12 yoe and you are 67 ... That's seems a growth that no one has had... Y don't you then stay here...3 more levels and you will be cvp ...
Done with MSFT, no strategy, very risk averse, trying to protect legacy businesses that are slowly trickling out to Google or Amazon. Very little innovation, way too much politics at the top level. I gave it all last 2 years and had tremendous impact, huge - and was meagrely rewarded with no explanations. Shit leaders aplenty. Looking at the general quality of cvps, I don't want to be one. Not inspired anymore.
Echo that. It seems senior leadership are directionless without any vision. To sustain at high level, you don't need to be technical, you just need to know the right person who knows the right person. I am so fed up as well. However, I would be curious to know how you cracked L8 level? Generally recruiters map 67 to L7 in amazon and L6 in Google.
TC?
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At Amazon an L8 has a lot of influence and will manage huge scale even in a not interesting area. You will learn a lot and probably be exposed to a level of management and corporate strategy thay you won't get at other places. A Director at Amazon can easily jump to a SVP or even CEO position at a startup or smaller company after 3 or 4 years. I don't see that easily happening as GPM at Google. I don't know what are your plans for the next 5 to 10 years, but if I were in your position I'd take Amazon without hesitation. Also, you mentioned transferring to other teams, and as L8 you can even lead greenfield initiatives and build new business units. If you're smart, you can literally propose something to higher executives and end up leading a complete new business. That's like opportunity of a lifetime.
Jumping to a Svp or ceo position is easily possible for a gpm at google and even l67 at microsoft which OP already is. Best is to find the charter both role offers and if that resonate with you. GPM is pretty big role too where you get to control the product vision as well.