So a recruiter from AWS reaches out to me on LI and tells me that an AWS hiring manager found my background and thinks I would be great for some new team. I say am not actively looking but sounds good. I am interested in that convo and AWS. I get on the call with the HM and she starts telling me that Oracle isn't good. I say it has been good for me so far, but I suppose mileage varies. Weird way to start the conversation. She starts describing the role. I ask some questions about the role. It is a role on a two year pilot program team and I ask what happens if the pilot is not renewed. She is nonplussed and doesn't really answer the question. I guess she just wanted someone who was like "I'll do anything to work at Amazon." Long story shorter, to no one's surprise, the recruiter gets back and says that the HM doesn't think I am the right fit for this role but they would certainly love me to consider other roles. My question - What is with Amazon? I have worked at Microsoft, Google and Oracle. The HM knows I have a higher role at Oracle. They called me. Do they really expect people to beg for jobs? Can't we just have a normal interview conversation?
Seems like an attempt at gaslighting. So weird!
Sounds like you weren’t a fit for this specific role under this specific HM after you had that conversation. Wouldn’t read more into it than that. Saved both of you time.
You mean there is nothing to get furious about? That's not fun. :)
Hiring Manager, is that you?
Why do you even answer?
Good point. I was thinking about that. The vibe is all off when these recruiters call you. They recruit you but then you talk to the hiring manager and the HM expects you to sell them on why they should hire you... even though at that point you are not even sure you want the job. No point in talking to them on these reach outs.
There should really be two interview tracks. 1) We are recruiting this person. We are selling them. 2) This person reached out to us. They are selling us.
You can rotate in Amazon very easily, kind of weird she did not cover your question, it has a very straight forward answer. Did you by any slight chance interrupted her while asking your questions?
I don't think so. We were using that shitty Chime service so the call quality wasn't great. She lost her connection and had to reconnect so we lost some of the convo.
Little off topic but Chime really isn’t that bad as far as audio quality goes. I’ve only ever had problems a handful of times (use it multiple times daily for a couple years now) other than local network issues. Sounds like she just had network issues on her end to me. Don’t get me wrong though, everything else about Chime is garbage lol
She tried to gaslight you and found you not an easy target. Amazon managers are like that.
Yeah, I kind of felt that way. Like I asked some questions that didn't have good answers and so she was like he is going to be asking these "why this way" questions which is going to be annoying. Like the LP says... STFU and commit
What kind of questions did you ask? Can you give some examples?
You went from msft -> google -> oracle ? Google was not good ?
Ikr!?!
I'm kind of sad to have made it to Google so early in my career because I know every other place will disappoint me now if I ever leave
My friend recently got reached out to by a hiring manager via LinkedIn saying he was a good fit. He submitted his resume and got a message back saying he wasn’t a good fit. 🤦🏽
It is an example that HMs as well as recruiters message at Amazon randomly and when they get a response, they actually see the candidate profile.
Same, happened to me 2 weeks ago
I think the hiring managers may be under pressure of bringing new talents because the turnover rate is too high and/or interviewers have some unrealistic expectations
Certainly true of the recruiters. Amazon recruiters are out there asking everyone to interview.
The expectations they put on them are insane. I was hanging out with some former churn-and-burn recruiting company employees and a friend who had just gotten hired at Amazon. Even they were shocked at the KPIs she was supposed to be hitting. Brutal.
How about, I applied to Amazon and they shot me straight into an interview with no prep, no discussion about the role, not a word. After a panel of 2 employees interviewed me (one joined 10 minutes late), I was told they weren't moving forward. I thought the interview actually went really well, but sounds like I dodged a bullet in retrospect. It was for a newer offering and both employees were less than 6 months at Amazon also.
Sheesh, what a shitty experience.
Usually if one of the interviewer was less than a year, which is very rare with the exception of HM, there will be a tenured person (usually HMs boss or a cross team leader) in the interview. I have never heard of both interviewers less than a year - that's against policies.
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Thanks, makes sense, we didn't even get into the LPs... which was also weird. She asked me to describe my background. Told me Oracle is a brutal place to work (insert wink sound) and then did most of the talking just telling me about the role. It def wasn't a traditional interview with prepared questions. It was free range. The role frankly sounded a little sketchy. Two year pilot program
Every job I have ever had has done this for less pay and less TC than a Amazon role.