It has been 3 months since I joined Amazon as a data scientist and I'm getting indicators that my manager might put me on pip. I think it is the mix of wrong team, project fit and possibly the worst manager I've ever worked with. The thought of a pip is making me stressed out, anxious and I've never been like this before. I agree that I haven't done an awesome job but not so much that she treats me the way she does. I have heard about how bad Indian managers are in Amazon, but it is way worse from my experience. Do you guys have any suggestions? Any recommendations to deal with the stress? #amazon #datascientist #stress #pip YOE : 2 TC : 180k
I am an Indian and unfortunately I have to agree with this. I think working under Indian manager is a bad experience because they are super hard workers and they expect the same. In other cases, managers feel they “own” their directs. All I can say is (which won’t help you I know), my generation of Indian managers will be much better n kinder. Please bear with us ❤️
I agree. Worst managers I’ve had have always been Indian. Not because they work particularly hard, because they don’t work harder than anyone else. In fact find most of them micromanage to overcompensate for their own shortcomings.
The Indian managers that are more Americanized are pretty awesome; they understand how Americans operate. The straight up ones, nope. I would never ever work for them. GTFO before it’s too late. 3 months and PIP should be illegal; fucking managers fail if u cant ramp someone up.
Yes I agree, the ones that are westernized are cool.
It saddens me as someone who strives to be anti-racist. But every non-Americanized Indian manager I've ever had has been one of the worst managers of my career. At first I just thought it was the specific manager. But now it's happened so many times that it's hard to dismiss as unconscious bias or coincidence. In my experience, they've been totally focused on managing up, rigid, rarely overtly passionate about the field (mostly just there to make money), and judgmental around people who aren't like themselves / lacking in flexible interaction styles or emotional intelligence -- and also often conveying an exaggerated sense of their own skill. One of my Indian friends who moved to the US at a young age shared the same feelings with me. I'm sure they're not bad people. But the cultural gap has been consistently insurmountable, to such a point where I've actually taken the risk of ever doing it again off the table -- which makes me sad.
GTFO. You can never win this battle.
Not specific with Indian managers, I work with a manager from different ethnicity and he is just as bad as anyone I have ever seen. But can't get out of this team with how current market is been outside.
AWS is still hiring crazy
Plus FB
I've seen the same, get external offer and get PIP for severance.
What is pip for severance?
They give you a lot of money to leave and not sue.
I completely agree. Indian managers are terrible in my experience. My worst manager has been an Indian lady as well
haha i had an interview with manager from salesforce. I told straight up that i dont like to be micromanaged. To my amusement they decided not to follow after the first step of the interview:D Ive aced rest of the interview on the tech questions. Guess you can’t be too honest on those interviews:)
Is this a consensus on Indian manager in their 40s? One of the Indian managers I worked for never micromanaged because he didn't intend to develop or promote anyone. Frustrated by this stagnant state, people would work hard to prove their worth to him, but he never cared. His style was treating everybody like factory components that never get upgrades. He was manipulative if anybody challenged him and used to threaten/bully people in one-on-one sessions. I think you should look outside and try out other (non-Indian if possible) managers.
Not sure if playing the racist / ageist card is smart. Not every 1st generation Indian American is going to be a jerk who worship Modi, hire only from his state, speak Hindi in meetings and ignore everyone else that doesn't fit his mold. Not every 40+ year old manager is going to be stubborn either, but most have been around the block to know how to build a team with people of all ages either. The OP should be busting his/her butt to keep his/her job or talking with other groups to find another position. AWS is siloed enough that he/she can transfer if need be. With only a 3 month tenure, asking for a severance package is ridiculous.
You cant win this game. Get an external offer or switch teams before the pip comes
Is switching that easy at amazon ? @Microsoft you can't switch teams if you get low ratings.
Didn't this manager interview you before you took the job? In any case, just GTFO...some of these folks just have something to prove and unfortunately, you will be one of those casualties. Change groups or just quit and find something else if you can given you've been at the place only 3-mo.
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How did your interview with this manager and team go?
That makes total sense then. The bigger surprise would be if all the interviews were awesome and then your manager was secretly two faced.
As a follow-up what are the red flags while interviewing with the manager?