Amazon screwing me! Literally

Nov 15, 2019 62 Comments

Joined a startup in London 6 months back on a tier 2 visa. Since the startup is not doing well and its future doesn't seem sorted, I interviewed and got an offer at Amazon London.

Here is how the Amazon Recruiter are gaming me:
Current TC = 72K pounds + 8K relocation bonus that was paid to me fro relocating to London from India.

Amazon offer TC: 68K (47 base + 19 sign on + 2 stock)

First of all they reduced my TC from 72 to 68. Also I will have to return the 8k relocation bonus back to the company and Amazon pays $15,000 for international relocation. Now the recruiter told me that they will not pay any relocation bonus nor will they reimburse my previous company's relocation bonus that I will have to return as I'm relocating from London itself.

She even seems quite disinterested in having me on board as she keeps on mentioning that it's ok if I dont want to move ahead with the process forward. It seems that they dont give any shit about the engineers they are hiring specially the junior ones.

YOE: 3 years in Goldman Sachs, Bangalore

Guys please help me out. I'm quite desperate to join Amazon at the same time Amazon Recruiter are making me feel like a beggar. Any advice will be appreciated!

Edit:

It's damn tough to get an interview at the last moment to get competing offers. I surely deserve a better compensation than this shitty deal

Edit1:
Thanks everyone for their valuable suggestions. All in all I have realized that I'm not entitled for a relocation bonus!
The community is suggesting me to get a competing offer and then negotiate further on the TC. Why would there be leverage with a competing offer when they are not even paying me as much as my current employer?

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TOP 62 Comments
  • Amazon / Eng SmkWdEvyDy
    I'm not sure why you think Amazon is screwing you by not giving you relocation. You currently live in London, the Amazon job is in London. Pretty straightforward. Why on earth would they give you international relocation to start work in a city you already relocated to?

    See if maybe you can get the start-up to at least pro-rate what you owe back and get competing offers so you have negotiating leverage.
    Nov 15, 2019 4
    • Cisco ananamx
      Point is never go somewhere you are not eagerly welcomed. In general he will be low balled
      Nov 15, 2019
    • Microsoft HdnF84
      No one is screwing him. He should be thankful he got an offer. 99 others will get rejected, nada. What op clearly failed to do is establish value. Market value is market value.
      Nov 15, 2019
  • Someone doesn't understand what "literally" means
    Nov 15, 2019 1
    • Microsoft fire_
      OP
      Technically this is a bit depressing and hence literal.
      Nov 15, 2019
  • PayPal / Eng
    maybeiam

    PayPal Eng

    PRE
    mphasis
    maybeiammore
    Suck it up, gain experience, become better until they are behind you
    Nov 15, 2019 0
  • Microsoft tobegrad
    47k base? Ouch. Apply other places in London.
    Nov 15, 2019 0
  • Citrix Systems / Eng ಅವನೌನ ಹಡಾ
    What can we do ?
    Nov 15, 2019 1
    • Amazon cbaz123
      You can teach what your username means and how to use it effectively LMAO
      Nov 15, 2019
  • Microsoft GTFO++;
    Getting screwed, but hopefully not literally 😁. That's bodily harm afaik.

    Amazon isn't obliged to reimburse for the relocation PKG you took from India to UK. Sometimes company do so only to make offer attractive .

    You are already in London so why would they pay for relocation from India?

    As others said, either suck it up, or get in a better negotiating position by getting offers from elsewhere.
    Nov 15, 2019 11
    • Microsoft GTFO++;
      Yes. But I've never really had to deal with reducing one and compensating by other. Maybe others have.
      Nov 15, 2019
    • Microsoft newbie323
      OP, offers are made based on the position team is hiring for and the budget associated with it. They have a price point and either it works for you or it doesn’t. There is no point arguing whether you are ‘entitled’ or ‘deserve’ anything.

      Take up the offer it works for you - else figure out what other options are available to you. There isn’t much anyone on this community can do to change what offer you get
      Nov 15, 2019
  • New QTdN03
    It sounds to me like all SWE’s in the UK are getting screwed on TC!!
    Nov 15, 2019 1
    • Microsoft tobegrad
      Nah. People just work for the wrong companies. FAANG isn’t going to pay great here, you’ve got to go to unicorns/hedge funds. London’s fintech scene is huge.
      Nov 16, 2019
  • Expedia Group shadow8
    Apply to banking jobs. More pay, better wlb. Interview later when you can get multiple offers
    Nov 15, 2019 0
  • Facebook / Eng KzSj72
    Amazon's offer is ridiculous, even for London. 2 stock??
    They also had the same attitude of not caring with me, didn't respond to my comments after I said offer wasn't enough. And my offer was £170k TC.
    Nov 16, 2019 3
    • Facebook / Eng KzSj72
      My offer was for level 6 EM. Got offered 100 RSUs, 100k sign on bonus (52/48) and base salary I think was 115k.
      Even if it is a more junior role, 2 RSUs is less than 4k, even for a new grad that's low.
      Nov 23, 2019
    • Amazon / Eng
      y y

      Amazon Eng

      PRE
      Cisco
      y ymore
      It must be for the first year. We have 5% 15% 40% 40% vesting.
      Nov 28, 2019
  • Airbnb XQqs82
    come to airbnb, I can refer you
    Nov 15, 2019 3
    • Amazon real_bezos
      I agree! OP seems to have entitlement and why is it Amazon screwing OP? Amazon offered what they would. If OP doesn’t like offer they are more than welcome to reject and give that opportunity to others. Rather saying Amazon is screwing by not paying relocation (which Amazon need not pay cause OP is already in the same city as Amazon) is absurd.
      Nov 15, 2019
    • New h0r4y
      That really sounds like a real Bezos, but good point about Amazon shouldn't need to pay relocation.
      Nov 28, 2019

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