Apple (Bangalore) vs AWS (Bangalore) vs Spotify (Stockholm)

Nov 7, 2019 53 Comments

26 yo with 4 yoe based in India. Have offers from all 3. Currently working as a technical lead with TC 42L.

Even if you're based out of India, would love some advice.

1) Apple | ICT3
30L base + joining bonus 5L + rsu ($74000) + 2.5L relocation + 5% yearly bonus
~ 48L/year

2) AWS | SDE2
TC is very similar to above except stocks and it's vesting schedule ~ 48L/year.

3) Spotify | Engineer II
660K SEK base = ~48L per annum + $66,500 stocks

Taxes and cost of living are high in Sweden so I'll be saving comparatively lesser than the other two. Never had a dream of moving to Europe but open to trying it out but have no plans of settling there long term.

I know for a fact that Spotify has the best culture among all three. AWS has mixed reviews but I feel I'll learn the most there. Apple, not sure about the culture and not sure about learning opportunities either.

I'm having to choose between staying in India with good savings and strong brand (APPL and AWS, in that order :) which'll help a lot in the future vs lesser savings and living in Europe. Leaning towards joining Apple because of the brand and wlb.

Any insights on any of these companies, quality of work and advice in general would be great.

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  • SmartThings Qzxwas
    Stay in Bangalore, Apple!
    Nov 7, 2019 7
    • SmartThings Qzxwas
      Apple’s team is relatively new and is growing. More opportunities and since you are very young, it helps your profile for sure. And more and more will be pushed there in future. But beware, they don’t always send new tech outside of Cupertino; ask what you will be working on and if it’s a maintenance project.
      Amazon has been there in Bangalore for a while now, more opportunities to go to Seattle if you are doing good. Good learning as well and some teams are really good. But AWS, they suck your blood out. Forget your weekends and nights.
      Spotify, good company; Sweden is a great place to live with best wlb anywhere in the world. But not much savings. You will be in a better position if you choose Apple or Amazon.
      Nov 7, 2019
    • OP
      Thanks. Leaning towards Apple already!
      Nov 7, 2019
    • Apple A213
      As far as I know, all that Apple has in Bangalore is IS&T which is the most hated org in whole of Apple since they comprise of the most incompetent engineers and all they do is tech support type work. Please don’t join Apple if the team is IS&T. You will thank me later.
      Nov 7, 2019
    • OP
      dm'ing you
      Nov 7, 2019
    • SmartThings Qzxwas
      It’s not just IS&T that’s in Bangalore. I have a friend(manager) who hired in Bangalore last year and it’s not IS&T.
      Nov 7, 2019
  • Roku cruella
    Stockholm.
    QoL. Better than most places in earth.
    Nov 7, 2019 3
    • Amazon iSteveJobs
      Nope. USA is the best. The land of free. The home of brave.
      Nov 7, 2019
    • SmartThings Qzxwas
      Good joke!
      Nov 7, 2019
    • Roku cruella
      😂
      Nov 7, 2019
  • Walmart iamsrk
    Op: really impressed with your career progression and current offers. Just curious to know, are you an IITian?
    Nov 7, 2019 2
    • OP
      Yes. ;)
      Nov 7, 2019
    • I am giving my JEE this year, wish me luck.😅
      Nov 7, 2019
  • Cisco / Eng greedyengr
    Can you share your current salary breakdown? 42L @ 4 YOE seems pretty high?
    Nov 8, 2019 5
    • OP
      All cash. I've been coding since school and like to think I'm pretty good at what I do. Have made commits into multiple large scale open source projects (Apache, Google, Facebook etc), consulted for multiple companies across domains while in college, published apps of my own and have created a lot of large scale systems at my current org. Have also delivered talks on multiple subjects over the past years.
      So in terms of professional experience, I have just 4. But otherwise, I've been software engineering since a long time and love it!
      Nov 8, 2019
    • Cisco / Eng greedyengr
      That's awesome man.. Where are you currently working by the way?
      Nov 8, 2019
    • OP
      Sorry. Can't disclose that. Small world. ;)
      Nov 8, 2019
    • Cisco / Eng greedyengr
      I understand that, just another thing how would you suggest other who want to be at your place move forward?

      It is evident you had an early start, but what about the late bloomers? Is leet the only one?
      Nov 8, 2019
    • OP
      I don't think leet helps you become better software engineer. Just helps crack faang. ;)

      I believe passion is really important. Given a problem statement, you either use all knowledge/tools at your disposal to solve it or you learn something new if that's what it takes. But you don't give up on the problem. You solve it to the best of your abilities and you'll keep learning a lot on the way.

      Other than that, network, always have mentor(s), hangout with people smarter than you, diversify your skillset.. you get the gist. ;)
      Nov 9, 2019
  • Intel / Other seabay
    You will enjoy great wlb and probably other Sweden. Be wary of the weather and social circles assuming you are Indian. Language is another aspect. But it's not going to be difficult. Swedes are a bit closed and introverts, but fun once you get to know them
    Nov 7, 2019 3
    • OP
      thanks. I'm a bit concerned about getting lonely yes because I would be living alone. Plus, would need to live independently cooking/cleaning on my own which doesn't excite me. :) Can easily hire someone to do chores in India.
      Nov 7, 2019
    • Amazon IDrS71
      You could try for a year and come back if doesn't work out.
      Nov 7, 2019
    • Intel / Other seabay
      Living in Stockholm is really wonderful. Ofcourse there has been housing scarcity. You will get a lot of time for yourself, of you can cook then fine, else eating out you have to little options. Forget the kind of Indian food you get here in the US.
      Nov 7, 2019
  • Amazon IDrS71
    Apple TC increases every year as they give bonus and yearly refreshers. Amazon TC very likely to remain same for next 4 years unless you get promoted.
    Nov 7, 2019 1
    • OP
      Yep. The recruiter informed me about this.
      Nov 7, 2019
  • Facebook woot
    Check out Swedish taxes and cost of living. Stay out of europe
    Nov 7, 2019 0
  • Zynga parott
    Spotify is a good brand but close call.
    Spotify or Apple.stay away from AWS

    Spotify will give you better QOL
    Apple will give you better growth most likely.
    Maybe you could work in Apple for a year and try transferring to an Apple office abroad?
    Nov 7, 2019 5
    • OP
      thanks. Any particular reasons to be wary of AWS?
      Nov 7, 2019
    • Zynga parott
      PMed you
      Nov 7, 2019
    • OP
      > Maybe you could work in Apple for a year and try transferring to an Apple office abroad?

      Would definitely prefer this. Do you know how easy is to switch teams/locations at Apple?
      Nov 7, 2019
    • Apple ptfan
      There is no scope of transferring to foreign offices from Apple India at least in the near future.
      Nov 7, 2019
    • Zynga parott
      ^^why is that?hiring managers just generally unwilling to interview?
      Nov 7, 2019
  • Apple Bangalore? What's going on 😂 first time hearing this
    Nov 7, 2019 2
    • OP
      Yeah. It's a fairly new office but growing. Not much info about the office on the internet yet. They own like 4 floors in ub city.
      Nov 7, 2019
    • New / Eng chatbot20
      I doubt there is any hiring going on at Apple Bangalore. There is a freeze for blr. Only hiring at Apple is for hyd.
      Nov 25, 2019
  • Op, congrats on the offers. May I know how did you apply for Spotify.
    Nov 7, 2019 1
    • OP
      They reached out.
      Nov 8, 2019

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