Hardware IndustryJun 12, 2022
Microsoft6h56gf

AMD kicked Intel's ass (with Ryzen)

Intel had us believe 2 or 4 cores are more than enough and are (should be?) expensive. They kept hardware advances stagnated for years. EDIT: Also, motherboard and chipset backwards compatibility over CPU generations. #intel #amd #zen3 #hardware #semiconductor

AMD orange5G Jun 12, 2022

Did you time travel back to 2019 bro? I understand if you did.

Microsoft 6h56gf OP Jun 12, 2022

Haha, just thinking about history and wanted to express it.

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fl3tch Jun 14, 2022

Sheeit, I’d gladly go back to 2019

Apple ShaddamIV Jun 12, 2022

OP Intel struggled due to manufacturing process. AMD can’t claim the credit for the win on this one, it was an Intel own-goal. If TSMC flounders then AMD would get crushed, more than Intel did. When AMD has the lead they are even more expensive than Intel. It’s good there’s competition though as I wouldn’t want the world to depend on a single x86 vendor or fab.

Apple Eat it Jun 12, 2022

Wrong. AMD design and architecture has been executing like clockwork. Intel design management has been blaming the fab for years to hide their own failures, but it's all BS blame games. For example, the endless delays on sapphire rapids have nothing to do with process, nor does the terrible PPA of alderlake (no excuses here since it is on a process just as good as tsmc 7).

Apple ShaddamIV Jun 12, 2022

The process delays threw a huge wrench in to the design pipeline. It left intel sticking with the skylake uarch far longer than it was competitive while being unable to launch newer uarchs on time. By the time they did launch they were years old. They planned for tick-tok but the clock stopped. Alder Lake isn’t great, but it’s competitive vs AMD depending on the segment and use case. The real bad power numbers you see are mostly tuning whereas a mobile CPU using mostly the e-cores at a reasonable point in the power/perf curve is ok. The p-cores are too big for the lower TDP skus. I’ll still claim that if AMD gets stuck (and not planned) at a process node for 5-6 years it would also destroy their development pipeline.

Intel JvGR61 Jun 12, 2022

Intel is still in denial sadly

Microsoft 6h56gf OP Jun 12, 2022

How's the internal sentiment at Intel?

Intel JvGR61 Jun 12, 2022

Rank and file have given up and those who can are leaving. Zero trust in management who still think Intel puts out leadership products. Honestly, it’s just funny if it wasn’t so tragic

Intel ni4040 Jun 12, 2022

Yes. Competition is always good.though Intel has so many problems that it's not able to compete.

Intel ReOdrBfr Jun 12, 2022

I just time travelled back to 2017-2018

Microsoft Tgki88 Jun 12, 2022

The Ryzen 5800x3D is the bomb!

Amazon KUYW05 Jun 14, 2022

Interesting, so AMD just wanted Intel's sloppy seconds I suppose?

Riverbed Technology doNutHarm Aug 11, 2022

If you mean a big chunk of their market share, then sure 😅

Roblox uniborn Jun 14, 2022

Except that it doesn’t support Thunderbolt

LinkedIn noTC?gtfo Jun 14, 2022

Except sometimes it does :P

Roblox uniborn Jun 14, 2022

Yes, sometimes it does 😂

Synopsys lizw25 Jun 14, 2022

Still running my Phenom 945, still good enough. But Microsoft and other companies keep bloating up programs :-)

AMD 0xffffbeef Jun 14, 2022

We just need to be careful of Nvidia. They have lots of marketing BS but they may put out a competitive chip.