Evaluate Google, Netflix and uber offer

Jun 7, 2018 171 Comments

Current tc 195k( base 130k rest stocks) in Seattle. SDE 2 yoe 6.(3 in Amazon and 3 in Deloitte)

ALL OFFERS ARE Bay area and final post negotiation

G - L4 , 141k/50ksignon/200k stocks-4yrs/15% (
initially offer had no signon and 180k stocks)

N - SSE, 260k cash + 5% stock (No negotation)

U -SrSE a, 171k/440k stocks based on 409a recent eval/ 25k cash +80k stock year end target bonus (Increased my target bonus cash and d stock both after initial offer)

Seems I got lowest end for all . And no company is ready to budge.

Thoughts?

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TOP 171 Comments
  • Microsoft IEjP42
    N
    Jun 7, 2018 31
    • Tableau krxi15
      Who says they do absolutely minimal and are there only for money. I have seen people who kills it because they love their craft and demand a big paycheck but they don't believe in the koolaid that the company is shoving down their throat. They just love the work and dont need this mission bullshit to do it.

      When the work starts becoming boring, they bounce. Whereas the ones that stay are those koolaid drinkers who are losers and only good at maintaining stuff and not able to innvoate, they just wrap their lack of skill with passion wrapper.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      In my life experience, those that have passion for what they do have a tendency to put more effort and time into what they do. “Passion” translates to a form of emotion, and when people are emotionally invested in something, they want the best for it.
      Sure, you can arrive at the same result by introducing a reward (ie compensation), but it’s a safer bet to take people on that are emotionally invested (ie passionate), than otherwise.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Tableau krxi15
      Yes, But there are 2 passions we are taking about. 1) a passionate engineer who is passionate about working on awesome computer science problems 2) corporate passion, which is designed to make employees believe in some stupid stuff, eg: netflix culture deck, amazon LPs.

      You want passionate engineers of type 1, type 2 is just a fake sham.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng
      Hooliganss

      Amazon Eng

      BIO
      AWS
      Hooliganssmore
      Which does passion for a particular product or service fall under? If I love ec2 as a service and want to make it better, I’d be a great pick for said product (assuming I meet the technical requirements). If someone has absolutely no investment in the end product, vs someone who is heavily invested in the product, it seems like a no brainer.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Bose kJYK64
      Stay where you are
      Jun 14, 2018
  • New / Eng
    Lemon head

    New Eng

    PRE
    Google, Facebook
    Lemon headmore
    What dollar value per share is uber priced at?
    Jun 7, 2018 11
    • Amazon Profiteer
      I would put Uber shares at $35 based on recent rounds of funding vs shitshow PR recently. If Uber was publicly traded the market would've hammered them for the leadership snaffoos the last year +.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Salesforce Lalallala
      It’s $35 a share
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Uber / Other
      Perf-ect

      Uber Other

      PRE
      Apple
      Perf-ectmore
      No it’s not.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Amazon Yrallhrsht
      Per-fect, what do you think the market price is then?
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Uber / Other
      Perf-ect

      Uber Other

      PRE
      Apple
      Perf-ectmore
      I don’t think the price, I know it, and it’s confidential.
      Jun 10, 2018
  • Tesla LEETCODER
    I don't understand how people get 160k/270K offers for L4 at google. You have 6 yoe & offers from Netflix and über and google doesn't want to match.

    Either they are lying about their numbers or your recruiter enjoys lowballing you. I would tell her "I am taking über, unless you match". See what they have to say.
    Jun 7, 2018 11
    • Salesforce wfh?
      240k looks like an L3 offer
      Jun 8, 2018
    • Facebook exFOB
      240k is a new grad offer.
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Seems Google is low balling these days. I got a 160/30/380 L5 offer after negotiating. Including signon, barely 300 TC before first refresher in 2020. They wouldn't fully match a competing offer
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Facebook exFOB
      Not worth joining. Google is in shambles, their products are rapidly deprecated, they lost Social and Messaging, internal leadership has no sense of right / wrong and only have bandaid fixes when things heat up (Project Maven), they are into unnnecessary cost cutting (no RSU refresh for Nooglers), Microkitchens and other perks are degrading swiftly, they are playing catchup to AWS and Azure in Cloud, Bureaucracy is rampant, Execs choose to give handwavy answers to hard questions, etc.
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Microsoft / Eng HHzD76
      ^this
      Jun 9, 2018
  • Salesforce Hashable
    Seems like you performed horribly in the interviews. I’d wait a year and try again.
    Jun 7, 2018 4
    • Tesla LEETCODER
      Why would they give him an offer then?
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Amazon / Eng camerakit
      OP
      So they gave me offers as token of sympathy?
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Tesla LEETCODER
      Yea I doubt that is the case. May be your system design was on the weaker side so they gave you a lower end T4 offer.
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Salesforce wfh?
      Probably did well enough to clear the bar but didn't provide to very strong signals in experience, design, behavioral. All 3 offers are low balls.
      Jun 8, 2018
  • New / Eng
    Lemon head

    New Eng

    PRE
    Google, Facebook
    Lemon headmore
    Congrats. Both N and U are big steps up. Surprised G didn’t budge — you told them the other offers? What did they say?
    Jun 7, 2018 17
    • Pinterest agji13
      I don't work at Google anymore, but back in 2016 I was hired as L4 with 145K base, ~250K RSU over 4yrs and 40K signing bonus. I was also told it's on the higher end for L4.
      Jun 9, 2018
    • Netflix / Eng gabdkjfn
      I feel that the market is changing rapidly enough that 2 years is long enough that you might need to add a 10 to 20 % bump to that number.
      Jun 10, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      NoFizzBuzz

      Google Eng

      PRE
      Apple
      NoFizzBuzzmore
      I was just hired this year as L4 front end SWE 170/350/50. And I know that's not the top either. They can do more stock.
      Jun 11, 2018
    • New / Eng
      Lemon head

      New Eng

      PRE
      Google, Facebook
      Lemon headmore
      NoFizzBuzz, what’s your experience? High competing offers?
      Jun 11, 2018
    • Google / Eng
      NoFizzBuzz

      Google Eng

      PRE
      Apple
      NoFizzBuzzmore
      No competing offers. 7 years experience. Downleveled from another FANG company where I was an L5 equivalent. Thought Google might be a better career move in the long run. Not positive I was right.
      Jun 11, 2018
  • Amazon / Eng camerakit
    OP
    UPDATE -- I declined Google offer over the weekend through mail, thanking them and all that crap and explicitly mentioned declining because of comp. Hr came up with updated numbers today evening (I was going to accept Uber
    tommorrow) -
    141base, 360k(From 200) stocks /4years , 50 k signon and gave me a days time. I accepted it.
    Google it is.

    Thanks everyone for all the comments.
    Jun 11, 2018 11
    • Facebook __-__
      great job in negotiating :)
      Jun 11, 2018
    • Salesforce wfh?
      Thanks for updating the thread OP. Not many people do that. In the end you got 40k more per year because you were willing to walk away. I'm happy it paid off.
      Jun 11, 2018
    • Apple Gg56fh
      Congrats, camerakit!

      Did Google HR call or email with your new offer + 1 day deadline?
      Jun 12, 2018
    • TripAdvisor MjQK82
      Congrats, good offer!
      Jun 12, 2018
    • Facebook / Eng vizio
      That's killer. Congrate man.
      Jun 23, 2018
  • Expedia Kwifnz
    Spells out GNU. It's a sign from Linus. Netflix or Uber look best
    Jun 7, 2018 1
    • Amazon / Eng camerakit
      OP
      Lol. Some one told to add 20%tc to compare with paper money unicorn offers so uber is then similar
      Jun 7, 2018
  • Snapchat Bnxz15
    Go for cash. Netflix is good option here because if you get fired you get good severance otherwise your salary will outpace the average returns you’d get from google etc especially if stock market correction will come.
    Jun 7, 2018 0
  • Microsoft RQwG33
    Sincere question. Can you help me with interview preparation? I’ll be starting to give interviews, thanks
    Jun 7, 2018 5
    • Amazon / Eng camerakit
      OP
      I saw a post a month back called "Sharing my preparation strategies .." by a dude from Amazon itself. you should check that out
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Microsoft RQwG33
      Can’t find it on blind search though
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Ms guy, don't use bing. [Blind] Check out this post! Sharing my preparation strategy for offers from Fb, Google, MSFT etc. (Career)
      https://us.teamblind.com/s/MFNMdaOU
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Microsoft RQwG33
      Why are people so mean. Mean but helpful thanks
      Jun 7, 2018
    • Interview Kickstart / Other
      ryan@IK

      Interview Kickstart Other

      BIO
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      ryan@IKmore
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      Jun 9, 2018
  • PayPal smallthiki
    Your current pay at amazon Seattle is better than your offers in bay 😜 you are not considering cost of living In Cali and state tax in Cali
    Jun 9, 2018 0

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