Tech IndustryDec 3, 2022
Amazontruth.2.u

FAANG got too comfortable.

Amazon, Meta, Netflix, and Google can no longer innovate. They hire 10s of thousands of engineers. Have them develop a product with a lifecycle of 1 year. Present a half-baked product "but the potential" to investors then leave a skeleton crew to close shop a few years later and move onto the next piece of crap. Whether it's mid level or upper level management they all try to move onto the next product for more "scope". Recruiters are scraping the bottom of the barrel of public schools (yeah yeah we know there is Berkeley and UIUC) to meet numbers. See any MIT, Stanford, or Harvard kids on your FAANG team? Leetcode is our filter which cuts out many innovative people. They end up doing R&D for defense and now the USA is 70 years ahead of the world in terms of military tech. This is not an exaggeration. They end up at SpaceX and now humans will land on Mars within our lifetimes (no longer possible with NASA). I have puts on Google and Amazon. These companies are too comfortable and they will be GE and IBM without a doubt. Management from these companies go on to effect other offerings such as Niantic, Stripe, Uber, and Snowflake with the same mundane culture. I do not have puts on Meta because despite the unpopular opinion Mark is trying to pivot from mediocrity. Engineers are no longer comfortable at Meta. Apply to SpaceX, Circle, or OpenAI if you want to be a part of the next generation of engineers. AV is a solid choice but hiring too much from FAANG. Sorry Cruise and Waymo (yes we know an Alphabet "moonshot")

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FemmeFataI Dec 3, 2022

I’ve asked folks to give me the “technical details” about a project, and gotten “what does technical details mean” (as in what is the literal definition of “technical details” not as a clarifying question) as a response. 🤦🏻‍♀️ You’re not wrong.

Amazon hujk vcn Dec 3, 2022

😂 ask a vague question and get a clarifying question as a response and then goes haha i knew those faangs were dummies!

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FemmeFataI Dec 3, 2022

You’re wrong in your understanding. Sigh. This was actually for something very detailed, i.e. tell me the technical details of what needs to happen for x very specific thing to be built, but the folks were also PMs so all they understood were the high-level details and were completely baffled with any questions asking for “technical details”. They ended up referring me to their engineering counterpart. Still it’s not excuse, you should understand the gist of what “technical details” mean if you work in tech.

Amazon djakGje1 Dec 3, 2022

We have a L5 sde and L7 director who were MIT graduates and a L6 manager from Stanford. The rest are all from normal but popular schools, including myself. And those from elite schools are good examples that intelligence does not always equate to the ability to innovate imo.

Amazon truth.2.u OP Dec 3, 2022

Do you deal with compute, other cloud infra, or security?

Intel tc_simp Dec 3, 2022

what even is that follow up question from op 💀 he is absolutely convinced that a team can only succeed with people from elite schools.

Apple kikkiikk Dec 3, 2022

I agree on a few points. I also thought Ivy League and Stanford grads don’t come to big tech until I came to Apple. Boy Apple is full of those from MIT, Stanford and what not. I feel that many of these engineers at Apple have excellent verbal, social, communication and presentation skills, better than VPs at Microsoft I worked for many years (Azure). Being with them makes everyone better as they learn from others. Back in Microsoft, most of engineers were transfer from overseas center, converted venders, Masters degree from not even flagship public university, and almost zero folks who studied undergrad in US. If they did, most were from public state colleges. Engineering skills may be similar but communication, willingness to help, etc make teams and the company work way better than my experience at Microsoft and others. When I see my friends at Amazon and browsing through LinkedIn profiles of my past interviewers and the people in those teams, Microsoft tends to have engineers went to more popular colleges (undergrads and grads). You could argue degree’s don’t matter in engineering etc. I think there is not much difference between top ranked colleges vs flagship state colleges as many folks choose to enroll in state colleges even if they get admitted to top ranked ones for variety of reasons. But I see a difference for the folks below that. It depends on each individual ofc but I am talking about average.

Netflix XxGs53 Dec 3, 2022

Netflix only has 12k total employees. We didn't hire tens of thousands of engineers, obviously. We also have laid off essentially zero engineers.

Amazon truth.2.u OP Dec 3, 2022

How many of those 12k had prior Amazon, Google, Microsoft experience? What new offerings from Netflix panned out since 2007? Netflix is same as Uber, same as Stripe. You got comfortable.

Netflix XxGs53 Dec 3, 2022

We certainly got too comfortable, but there is a difference in the degree of poor decision making imo

Meta metamatian Dec 3, 2022

Won't say the same for Netflix (have worked there in past). There strength is still to the point innovation rather than playing the catch up game with every competition on the block

DocuSign asdfgu Dec 3, 2022

Can you elaborate more on circle?

McKinsey J.Pow Dec 4, 2022

Idiotic post There have been studies on work performance by school rank And unless you are comparing Harvard to a school ranked at like 300+ the difference is essentially meaningless and too small to care

Twitter brainde Dec 4, 2022

Not faang but 75 percent of my entire team at Twitter went to mit or Stanford lol what is this post Innovation was inhibited by bad leaders and the fact that we were hamstrung by gaming metrics To meet investor needs

McKinsey J.Pow Dec 4, 2022

Not everything is leadership’s fault Twitter did try a number of things in terms of innovation. They just didn’t take off

Twitter brainde Dec 4, 2022

Leadership underinvested in a lot of things that were not given the time or resources to take off

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ouLs73 Dec 4, 2022

placing puts on AMZN while also receiving compensation in AMZN stock is a real chad move

Meta Vvqe85 Dec 8, 2022

No it’s not

Meta Vvqe85 Dec 8, 2022

It’s quite different than “Generally not allowed”

Cruise GsKM84 Dec 6, 2022

My brother if you think Cruise is too comfortable you should check out the pulse score. Fwiw, I like it this way. We’re hustling. But too comfortable it ain’t.