Facebook downleveled?
I have a masters and 5 YOE. I was supposed to have 2 design interviews onsite (Menlo Park), but ended up having just 1 because of scheduling mistake by the co-ordinator. Got to know from recruiter that I got approved for E4. When I asked for E5, the recruiter told me that they will have to go through hiring committee review and VP approval again, but I don't have time to go through all that due to other offer deadlines. 1. Did they downlevel me? My interviews went great. 2. What is the max total compensation I can expect? Can a higher compensation negate my downleveling if the E4 and E5 bands overlap? 3. For a top performer, how long will it take to reach E5 from E4? Does it vary a lot depending on team? 4. For those who joined FB as E4, how much time did it take to get promoted to E5? Thanks for your help!
"I don't have time for that", seriously?! The time you spend on waiting for their offer to change to E5 is much less than the time you'll spend to get a promotion to E5.
I have other offer deadlines. Updated the post.
So what? Push those or in the worst case decline them, or if they are companies that you don't mind burning the bridge with them, accept and decline later. You can also always push FB to get back to you faster, and they will if they know you're not desperate for them. My friend had a competing offer from Amazon (specific team and domain that they knew he would seriously go with them) and they got the offer (with the whole negotiation and approval) in 1 week after the onsite.
Behavioral interview is more important for levelling than design interview just fyi
Doesn’t matter, just focus on comp.
So true
I joined at E5, but Facebook does promote high performer quickly. 1 year to E5 is very possible.
Btw, FB does not do 2 design interviews for e5. So, it was not a number of interviews, but performance. And as someone already said, potentially you have not shown e5 traits on your behavioral interview.
Degree + YOE ≠ level of expertise.
Makes no sense that 5 YOE will expect E5 unless you re coming from FANG and already operating as E5. E5 typically requires 7+ YOE
1.) No. You might've been targeted at E5 max for your loop, but ~5 YoE would be very borderline to begin with. If you had 10 YoE and/or were senior at a peer company, THEN it would be a downlevel. 2.) 160/300 base/RSU is the normal in-band max. Can go up to something like 167/360+75 with a strong case (competing offers, close to E5 etc). If you can get a top-of-band or out-of-band E4 offer, it'll be pretty close to a mediocre/baseline E5 offer (e.g. 170/400). The one major downside is that E4 refreshers and bonus targets are significantly weaker, but if you get promoted fast that won't really matter. 3. One year or even less. FB promotes quickly. One more note on leveling: for the sake of your sanity and WLB, it's better to come in high at a lower level and get promoted quickly than under-perform at a higher level and get PIP'd. Companies like this don't down-level to save money; they do it to prevent a messy underperformance situation if there are any reasonable doubts. Note: my flair says Amazon, but I'm at FB now.
Thank you so much for your apt reply.
Don’t take that.
Reasons?
The hallmark of a great recruiter is down leveling. The hallmark of a great and respected employee, is up leveling. You lost, so you’re the punk, and they will expect to treat you like that, every step of the way. If you negotiate hard and tell them to fuck off, you’ll win and they will respect the hell out of you. If they tell you to fuck off, they are looking for employees, not innovators or non-conformists. If you feel you’re a worker or employee type of person, then take it.