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Going from Amazon to VMware is culture shock

At Amazon everything is about truth seeking, productivity, and getting stuff done. At VMware it’s a culture of babying, stalling, throwing wrenches in things with silly ideas, making tiny details into mountains, and horrible prioritization. Could understand if this happened on the front lines but I’m talking about leadership doing all of this. Feel like I’m going crazy. TC: $250k 10+ YOE

Google wfhBeast Feb 21

Why did you move to VMware?

ex-Roblox Broblox Feb 21

That's my question too. VMware pays terribly, especially compared to Amazon

Amazon javsiqn Feb 21

People need jobs... often they aren't ideal

Adobe adbeSatya Feb 21

At Amzn, there is empire building too and that results in leadership brainwashing us into thinking all the Alexa stuff they are doing is a top priority using their LPs.

Qualcomm yBjj45 Feb 21

And you get a way better chatbot duct taping in gpt-4

eightfold.ai cata-pult Feb 22

As an Amazon shareholder I want all of Alexa disbanded and investments to be suspended. Deploy the people to work on other things but Alexa is a disaster.

Google gd66 Feb 21

Sounds like Google. Amazon doesn't seem that bad. There's something nerve racking knowing you're not working on something impactful.

VMware Tjg55H Feb 21

Not nearly as nerve-wracking as the constant fear of PIP.

Amazon F*offRajes Feb 21

It’s bad

Amazon mikert Feb 21

Amazon tricks you into thinking your work matters and everything is mission critical. Almost none of it is

Uber andrew_gar Feb 22

Isn't that all of software Engineering? We're just automating and simplifying things for on-ground people and making their life easier. So we are having at max a secondary impact on the world, that too assuming someone working on a cutting edge health tech or defense tech or some tech that existed before 2000. Other than that, the FAANGs are just making people more addicted and lazy.

Excellus BlueCross BlueShield Po_Po Feb 22

Agreed world can do away with them.

Amazon idkkkkku Feb 21

Curious why Amazon to VMWare? Nothing about VMWare stands out, and pay is bad. If laid off though I get it

VMware Jok3s Feb 21

You are so wrong. Almost everything at VMw is better than Amazon except pay.

Amazon tikertok Feb 22

Can you throw some light. @Jok3s

Barclays PLC Trey? Feb 21

Majority of mid tier companies are like that

LinkedIn Linked Out Feb 21

Leaving Amazon is a culture shock almost anywhere. Take a minute to consider if your WLB has improved and maybe slow down a little.

Block QH43 Feb 22

My WLB improved drastically moving to Block, and yeah, Amazon has a lot of BS that you have to deal with, BUT as OP said, it's a huge culture shock going somewhere else and seeing how behind other big tech companies are. I can only speak for my org at Amazon, but code and design standards were top notch. Everyone had an attitude of always wanting to improve our tooling, our processes and mechanisms. At Block, I'm basically told not to "rock the boat". Everybody's happy with the status quo. It feels like the company is 5 years behind in best practices.

Amazon KpNM78 Feb 22

So they are basically telling you not to bring your bullshit Amazon practices to Block. Damn you been institutionalized son.

Amazon EAHI65 Feb 21

Is that true? Amazon is all about red tape in my experience.

Amazon shsis Feb 23

What red tape are you talking about? My org is the wild wild west. A bunch of cowboys trying to do things their own way and it’s a whole lot of uncoordinated action and shooting each other down. Basically whoever claims the big project, gets the brownie points for impact wins the game, and it doesn’t matter if you followed the rules or carried your team with you not.

Google oMMx03 Feb 21

That's your opportunity to have impact.

Amazon lvnsoon Feb 21

This was Amazon pre-pandemic. Truth hiding and politics is now the behaviour that is rewarded and overlooked. The LPs are merely lip-service now

Amazon sifts_air Feb 22

So true!

Palantir RAG-fm Feb 22

How so?