Hi All - Currently a L7 PMT team manager at Amazon. I interviewed with Google for a L7 Product Management team manager role and also got team matched. But got down levelled to L6 in the hiring committee. The recruiter has not yet come back with the offer $ numbers. The problem is that my current TC is $620k in Amazon Seattle and hence I am not sure if Google L6 TC will be competitive enough. Can I ask for up levelling interviews after the HC decision? Also I am not seeing a clear promotion path in Amazon after L7 PMT. Been a L7 PMT at Amazon for 5 years now. My manager is saying that I could get promoted in a year or two. But not sure on this. Is the promotion from L6 to L7 PM smoother in Google? My hiring manager at Google is a L8 Director. So wondering if I should accept the Google offer for L6 if they are able to match or exceed my current TC and then get promoted in a year or two to L7. Is that even feasible? Googlers please help with your valuable comments on this Currently TC - $620k Seattle YoE - 20 #pm #productmanager
No one is happy no matter how much is the tc.
One thing I have learned from my career is that you should look for a new job when you are happy at the current job. That way you can pick and choose the best next opportunity rather than making a suboptimal decision under pressure
Agree , but do you also agree with my statement? No matter how much you earn, its never enough. You want more .
I agree. I got L6 at 512k post negotiation, in Seattle as well. If you’re at 620k at Amazon then it makes no sense. I doubt Google will offer you that much more over your current TC to come over.
Are you Sr. Manager PMT at Amazon? For growth you can consider Sr.Manager BizTech roles as well - going from PM to X-fn Manager.
Why are you stressing over wanting a promotion or more money when you’re making 620k?
I am not stressing at all. I just look for new opportunities when I am happy with my current job. There's always something better to be discovered and this also keeps you mentally sharp with all the interview prep
But it is stressful to do all the prep to pass L6 right?
Not really that stressful when you are really happy at your current job - you don't care much about the new job hunting outcome that much. Hence you can enjoy the job hunting process and also land great opportunities. Been doing this for last 10 years and have worked really well for me
Did the HC indicate which interviews contributed to the down-leveling? Is there an oppty to do those interviews again?
Let me check with the recruiter on this. Thanks for sharing your input
L7 amazon is equivalent to l6 at google and meta. Amazon entry level starts higher (l4 vs l3 at google and meta). You’re not getting downleveled, but may be hard to match appreciated stock tc anywhere.
Amazon L7 PMT team manager top end TC is 680k now even without stock appreciation. My TC also didn't increase due to stock appreciation. So I think the high end of Amazon L7 pay corresponds to lower end of Google L7
It is not equivalent in scope. Be careful with this advice. You could end up being very bored if you take L6 at Google.
The only reasonable path from Sr Mgr PMT is move to a BizTech role, and then to Director.
Thanks for your input. I think I will be a L7 BizTech in my org in 1-2 years. There's also Senior Principal PMT now at Amazon which is L8 PMT with a small team
Nice salary in Seattle. Just hang on and you will enjoy it.
Seattle is becoming very expensive now and I have very expensive hobbies and tastes 😀
I seriously wonder where everyone's money goes that they have such expensive hobbies and tastes. Assuming Seattle is 2x Midwest COL. That kind of money is absolutely insane to me. I couldn't spend it all even if I wanted to.