High paying companies without PSC culture?

At TikTok I experienced PSC culture for the first time and realized that it's trash. - People are shamelessly claiming multi-billion dollar impact for 100 LOC diffs. Three people claim to be tech lead for the same project. - One person claims 1 million QPS, another claims 10k QPS for the same project. Looks like they forgot to align their bullshit. - Managers don't attend most stand-ups and just read perf review every 6 months to know who did what. - Disincentivizes "a stitch in time saves nine" because if you wait until the problem grows, you can claim impact for 9 stitches instead of 1. - 6 month review cycle disincentivizes long-term projects and innovation. - Ass-kissing each other is rife. You cannot oppose anyone in a meaningful way lest they leave you a negative review. Which companies other than TikTok and Meta have PSC culture so that I can avoid them for my next company?

Can I join tik tok

ByteDance DM4Refer Feb 12

Yea dm for referral

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Capital One bavcqqwtr Feb 11

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ByteDance you quit OP Feb 11

I honestly think Amazon's culture might be better.

Google M123Q4 Feb 11

What’s psc culture?

ByteDance you quit OP Feb 11

We copied it from Meta but basically every 6 months you write a list of your business impact, do a self-assessment and 360 reviews of your peers and manager. Then you get a grade that determines your bonus. Most Metamates will say it's the worst thing about Meta. Here it's the same.

ByteDance you quit OP Feb 11

Let me give you a tl;dr. PSC culture is when ICs have to show their individual business impact instead of the manager and upline showing their team's impact as a whole while the ICs just show their impact to the team. Also it's a way to offload the essential EM task of tracking and assessing performance to ICs themselves.

ex-Visa incelNo1 Feb 11

Most companies are like that. Tech culture is fucked

ByteDance you quit OP Feb 11

Most are not. My previous companies weren't like this. Unfortunately they pay low TC.

ex-Visa incelNo1 Feb 11

Was it a startup. I mean most big tech is like this

Google annamani Feb 11

It's not meta copycats - Microsoft has had it for decades. GE has had it for almost a century.

ByteDance you quit OP Feb 11

Microsoft doesn't have it. My girlfriend works there. But TC is low.

Microsoft Mr.Clippy Feb 12

Microsoft has what? Nothing here resonated with me lol

Uber gjxja Feb 12

Uber has something similar and it sucks. Rather that actually doing something, people want to show they are doing something.

ByteDance fffff3r33 Feb 13

The manager will see if 3 people on the same team claim the same work. It might work if those people all have different managers but 360 degree reviews (in theory) should detail the IC's individual contribution. I'm sure there are items that slip through the cracks or managers that are not good at sniffing BS but it's also something that could backfire. For a lot of claims, there should also be documentation (ex. author of primary technical solution) that could support the case.

ByteDance fffff3r33 Feb 13

We also go through calibration, where the ICs contribution and rating will need to be defended. Again, this may not catch all the liar cases but I don't think it'll be as bad as you may think, at least company-wide.

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mleng* Feb 16

How difficult or common is TL, MLE 3-1/3-2 -> jumping to EM at TikTok? 11 YoE, 5yr ML, 6yrs leading eng teams