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Amazon WD--400 Jan 18

Amazon about to lose 20% of staff

Amazon realAndyJ OP Jan 18

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Amazon pumpinJack Jan 26

Another 20% of them are already SDM’s here.

Meta oh no no Jan 18

So, at Meta TPMs don't really have any impact anyway. They tend to overlap with senior eng and PMs. At other companies I've seen them add value. Here they are literally useless and sometimes a net negative with all the distractions they create.

Amazon WD--400 Jan 18

Amazon has entered the chat

AstraZeneca abc_ok Jan 18

Agree.

Google elonma Jan 18

This is a definitive answer to TPM being a scam

Intel fatheroall Jan 18

Companies can’t finance debt at 0 Apr anymore. Gotta cut. They can’t lay off engineers easily because who’s gonna do the work then so program management it is.

ex-Amazon buttcoiner Jan 18

Zuck to Director of TPM: “What does a TPM do?” DTPM: …. Zuck: ……… DTPM: …………. Zuck: GTFO

Google mckflelc Jan 18

who came up w/ that role anywayz?

ex-Google UIrH53 Jan 19

😂😂😂😂

Apple Nuttynut Jan 25

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

AstraZeneca abc_ok Jan 18

Say it with me : TPM and Product Managers were a bull market phenomenon. I am glad the sanity is coming back

Google mckflelc Jan 18

PM will always be there tho, somebody gotta talk to users

ex-Amazon buttcoiner Jan 18

Loads of PMs never ever talk to real users.

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Oracle OciBling Jan 18

I mean..kinda got to hand it to them if they successfully bullshitted their way that far that's kinda amazing

Uber DEI@Uber Jan 18

Political skill in the corporate sector is valuable

Amazon lbwnwdidsk Jan 18

TPM is total nonsense. If your engineers don’t have product vision, your product is screwed anyways. A regular PM should be bridging the gap between clients and engineers. A TPM’s job should be the SDE job. If your SDE’s can’t handle it, you hired wrong.

Amazon WD--400 Jan 18

TPM <> PMT. Product actually drives roadmap and can interact with customers. TPMs are just in charge of internal processes they don’t have a clue about what the customers need. I’m a TAM and work regularly with Service Teams. PMTs will make the actual decisions, TPMs just chase engineers and ask them “how much engineering time is required” lol

Amazon Amzn374 Jan 22

TPM isn’t “product”. Not surprisingly a likely engineer has no clue what the fuck they are talking about

Intel eMqt55 Jan 18

My hunch is TPM is not a useless role, but rather one that is amenable to automation with AI. Imagine a machine filing tasks for the managers to get done with their engineers. The next role to go is engineering manager.

Amazon Amzn374 Jan 22

I see no effective way to automate TPM

Intel eMqt55 Jan 22

I assume you are a TPM, walk me through a few scenarios on how you are going to help to ship a product? I tell you release is in 3 months. We need to add two dozen new features to the previous release.