Companies copied Meta like lemmings with their own rounds of large layoffs and were generally rewarded for it with stock price bumps. Well now there's more coming. Zuck is all about efficiency in this new year and has cottoned on to an understanding that we're bloated with too many cross functional approvals and processes and managers managing managers managing managers. So we'll be reducing the depth of reporting chains, establishing more reasonable engineering to cross functional role ratios, and pushing out low performers more aggressively. Some managers will be forced to convert to individual contributor roles and will sink or swim. Others will take on more IC reports. Once we start cutting in this way other CEOs will again follow in our wake. It's inspiring really. Tech has become slow and bureaucratic. We made this bed for ourselves. Became the thing we mocked old corporate companies for. Too many people who think their job is planning, enforcing process, building empires, setting up checkpoints, writing documents, fighting over which projects they get, reviewing the work of others, and not enough doing heads down IC work every day to build things that improve the lives of users. It's going to be rough. At this scale good people will be cut with the bad. But I think it'll be a brighter future for the folks who survive. And for consumers and the world it'll mean a faster, smarter, and more effective tech industry. If I'm first on the chopping block to achieve such a glorious future then so be it. Godspeed and good luck. 🫡
I hope the good managers will find a way. But good riddance to managers who want to just delegate and micromanage. This is the best news from layoffs.
About time! Management and HR are long overdue to be gutted from all companies. Not just tech companies. Good riddance!
No, the best news from layoffs was useless DE&I efforts getting axed.
About time. 2nd level engg manager is one of the most overly paid useless role
This is so true. Easiest job across managers and very decent pay.
2025 - mgr will be back to empire building. Unfortunately entire drama is for investors. Everyone below E8 is anyway commodity.
TC or GTFO
290, soon to be zero
Are you M0?
It’s not only managers some staff/principal engineer also don’t code. It’s strange if you have engineer in your title and you are not hands on coding.
We have a principal like that. He has tons of experience but barely has built any sota models. Every single time , his answer is let’s keep it simple and do linear regression, when there is clearly no linear relationship. Also just hand waivers in meetings and doesn’t code
Hey Prestige, what does Sota mean?
Amazon PE do not code. They do this - “reviewing the work of others, and not enough doing heads down IC work every day”
I think with so much progress in programming language and tools we don’t need that much code review. We need to write comment for C code because the code was tricky. I never understand why TF people write comment with python code
Apple: because the Python code is a one-liner packed with Python idioms and whatnot that performs some sort of trickery to boost performance thus warranted a comment?
even engineers will be replaced by AI in another 5 years...
This is good if everyone stick to this for long term. Managing is fine but they have to do the ground work too, before shitting on ICs.
Mata managers are pure people managers, not all companies are like that.
I thought meta managers are mostly hands on. No?
Not at all
Hope flattening would not take longer than two weeks
Google, I heard rumors of big new layoffs coming. Do you expect that to occur or just FUD?
99.9% ppl on blind have no clue, me included. High VP probably, but not us peasants.