MBA Grad needing to decide between 2 internships (Comp is per month) and the corresponding full time offer. Please add your thoughts in the comments too! Microsoft - Level will be 61, which is a non-senior role. Also not sure how TPM role translates in comparison to the industry PM. Walmart - Spark team which is young and agile. Historically has a 50% conversion rate ( lower than MS). Not sure if I can switch to Product later if needed. YOE - 5 TC - 0 #pm #product #productmanagement #productmanager #microsoftprogrammanager
It depending on your career goals after. Microsoft is dope for me bc I have a family w 2 little kids, it’s remote work, and benefits are amazing. No deductiion on healthcare and free $12k in 401k employer match. Tc 200 at L62, and 2 years at MS. 35hrs per week. Walmart’s role title looks more impressive on paper but it looks like the TC may be less for more hrs worked. Dunno if you have to go to office or not. Do you want to re-recruit after the summer to get a higher TC?
I plan to but market for new grads isn't looking that great as of now. Thus want to optimize for a return offer (which as of now both claim to do). Office is hybrid for both. How is a TPM from MS viewed in the industry? Looking to stay in PM/PMT roles
Pretty good. TPM viewed better than business program manager within tech companies in my opinion but either works. I got an offer from Salesforce for a sales strategy role and TC was only 185k and the role would have to be hybrid. Since you’re not going the consulting or IB route, the best way to increase TC (at Microsoft) is playing the game. Increasing impact, raising your hand for stretch projects, fixing big problems when you identify them.
From what I hear Walmart will be intense - which is not necessarily a bad thing if you want to learn a lot quickly.
That I agree. The role at Walmart is more exciting, at least on paper
Having been a “strategy manager” before it basically means you’ll be running some program and spending most of your time doing basic ops/organization. IMO it’s more valuable to build up your technical skills, particularly early in career. Plus Microsoft is a great company to work for in general and probably 2nd best positioned to commercialize the AI wave (NVIDIA being #1). Get yourself hooked up to this stock vesting gravy train, you won’t regret it.
Thanks so much! From a growth perspective, MS seems to be the best place to be in. How was your transition from strategy to tech? Also what role do you currently have at MS?
Microsoft has TPM and PM now, not sure if TPM will give you real product experience
Yeah that's my concern too.
Still a better role and better brand than Walmart strategy. I am an ex Microsoft wanting to go back but couldn’t even get an interview. So I would try to get in those big tech first.
Microsoft is a way better brand. Better options after exit.
Yeah I am really excited about that. Just the title of TPM isn't what I was aiming for
Both options suck but Microsoft sucks less in the long run imo for all the reasons mentioned above.
Microsoft generally has a great culture AFAIK.
Microsoft no brainer. TPM -> Product is way easier than strategy -> product
I’ve also had a tpm role that was more product-like than my current product manager role/title. I’d call it moderate to easy to shift internally to a product role from tpm
If PM is your goal, TPM no brainer
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Thanks! Can you also explain the reasoning behind voting Walmart? Since you are at Microsoft, that input would be valuable.