I truly cannot see what Google offers better than Microsoft. Do people care that much about branding? Entry level developer with offer for MSFT and on-sites for Google. Msft offer: L59 168 TC Seattle What I would expect G offer to be: L3 187 TC mtv After tax both are almost same, and mtv is more expensive. Choosing G would mean having the same salary in a more expensive place. It would also mean living in mtv as a 21 yo. I much rather live in Seattle. Most people at Google seem to be very arrogant just because they work there. Everyone here also worships Google. I truly don’t get why. Does salary diverge at higher levels? Tbh I would probably just use the G offer for leverage at Microsoft. Might eventually boomerang but I just cannot see what Google offers right now. TC: 160k (offer) Yoe: student
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Women, help me understand why this is inspirational
Google is a digital marketing company, not a technology company. Marketing is boring and solves nobody's problems. Microsoft does a lot of things for areas that have real world impact. What has Google done that has impact throughout the world? Only things I can think of were Gmail, YouTube (which wasn't created by Google) and Android (which wasn't created by Google). And they take all your personal information for free and sell to stupid advertisers for a lot of money. So to be fair, answer is: nothing.
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😂 that's probably the funniest thing I've seen The ignorance and half-knowledge is stunning
Prestige
I mean are there really any companies where G will open a door that Msft won’t? Probably quantum trading companies? I don’t see why I should consider prestige when already at a good company
There aren’t many companies but there are plenty of positions in companies that will prefer google. Top standard trading companies(Jane street, citadel) and top early stage startups will be near closed. Top SWE positions in tier 1 startups like Uber/Airbnb/snap. It’s definitely team dependent, and If your happy with Microsoft prestige then be happy, but on average there will be doors closed to you compared to google.
The refreshers are way bigger at Google
Its not always about TC. Microsoft is a very laid back old school org ( i worked there for 3 years), while google is comparatively edgy and leadership is generally better than Microsoft. Also, a lot more fast pace than MS
Right but if you’re working more shouldn’t you be paid more? I completely agree that TC is not all (specially at this level of TC). However, I think that you should not be paid in “experience”. If I decided to work more I would want to be paid more.
Never thought I’ll see google and fast pace in the same sentence. Now I’m curious at how slow MS is lol
It is prestige literally and seems to be a good place to rest and vest. If you want to grow as an engineer then Amazon is the place you want to be and I am not just saying that because I work here. It is intense, but the intensity leads to acquiring knowledge a lot quicker than other places like Google.
I agree with this. I learned a lot more during my Amazon internship than during my Microsoft internship. I thought it was too stressful so I would not like to work there right now.
Amazon likes to sell this idea. Having worked at both Amazon and Google, I totally disagree.
The easiest way for you to understand this is to go through a Google interview
Did a mock interview (real ones scheduled). Asked the interviewer why he chose Google and he said prestige… If anything it lowered my perception of Google.
My interview with google was terrible and the interviewer seemed like he didn't even wanna be there. I was 2 lines of code away from finishing my problem (would have taken an extra 20 seconds to write) and the interviewer just hard cut me off and closed out the editor when time was up. Very disrespectful.
Not related, but why do you prefer Seattle about MTV?
Mostly because I’ve heard that MTV is more like suburbs. I know Seattle is more like a city (I still don’t like Seattle that much tbh but better than suburbs). Being young I think Seattle must be more fun than MTV. I’m also Mexican. I think there are more Latinos in Seattle than MTV, so that’s also a factor for me.
But …. MSFT is in Redmond, which is suburbs as well. Of course, you can live in Seattle and commute, but then the same could be said about more urban areas of the Bay Area. Also, there are hardly any Latinos in the puget sound area.
This! But you cant explain college grads basic economics and finance and prove them Microsoft is a better company than Google. Yes google has refreshers, but Microsoft stock has taken off and google not much. Microsoft is very well positioned for the next decade with $$ flowing in from all business lines whereas Google is ad centric. I personally know many millionaires at Microsoft who joined before nadella took over the company and ever since the company has changed completely. I respect googles engineering practices and talent but from a company and culture stand point, Microsoft is equally good.
This is cope. Both the eng and social culture is objectively worse, at least in Azure. Dev div seems a lot better to be fair.
I work in MSRA and the quality is much much better than whats published on blind and other SWEs
Tooling at Microsoft is insanely bad, especially if you work on a team with a large C++ code base. It’s not possible to be productive there. I’m probably 3x more productive while working less hours at GCP core compute vs Azure Core
Agree on this one. Tooling is really good. Curious, why is google cloud still not able to take off? Execution or management issues?
Not at MSFT any more but wow … the tooling was legendarily bad. That’s not even mentioning SAW devices and compliance policies which made it almost impossible to do any actual engineering at a reasonable pace
Once you take refreshers into account, google beats Microsoft by a large amount until L66.
Yeah I would definitely consider switching once stock has vested at msft. But until then there’s no point.
Simply not true. I left after 2 years because I was getting 1-2 shares of MSFT every 3 months as my “refresher” despite above average rewards. It’s a joke. Now I have nearly double the TC + almost 10x target refresher.