Tech IndustryMar 12, 2022
Rokuhydd$&&@

My Amazon Experience

I wanted to share my experience, it has ben some time I left Amazon but never shared this on public Blind channel. Many of the things I will say may identify me, but I give a damn. I joined Amazon as L5 Research Scientist, Bay Area in the Alexa team working on screen devices. I wanted to work on core Machine Learning problems as this happens to be my background and interest. After joining I was told that I will need to work on designing experimentations, which was ok as it is something I learned, but never wanted to do it long term. Then reality struk, the idiot PMs idea was to tweak small changes in the display to increase engagement by a big margin. Kept uttering like an idiot “if we don’t do this, we miss our A-team goal”. I thought I would work on personalization and ranking and not spend my time generating json files that determine how cards will be displayed. It was a complete waste of my time. I knew the team can’t offer me anything, and frankly they didn’t need to hire me or anyone, they could have used a scientist from another team for this job. I tried to get into a more ML focused team at A9. Most positions at A9 were Applied Scientist positions and not Research Scientist, which made team change difficult, especially give in 4 months I have done mostly stupid work. I went through 3 tech interviews, unfortunately it wasn’t upto the mark and didn’t work out. At that point I decided I will leetcode and get the hell out after my 1 yr vest. During this time the director of the group left and I had a new manager but kept working on the stupid project till December 2019 with idiot PMs. I didn’t mind and kept leetcoding. Then when I finally started in the new group in early 2020, there wasn’t any good project and that manager left for Alexa Auto. I was assigned a new manager who was based in Seattle. I didn’t care as I was set to leave and was doing bare minimum work. My new manager (who was my last manager) is a good person, unlike most managers I hear about on Blind. I did get to do some decent work on experimentation under him but not the kind of ML work I wanted to. Then came March 2020, COVID struk and almost all companies went on hiring freeze and daycares closed. It was very difficult to adjust given the new situation and to interview with a toddler at home. I kept slacking at work, and got put on the dev list. I will say that I don’t blame my manager for it, it is something justified. He did help me with clear guidance on deliverables and fully supported me. Thanks to him, I came out of the dev list in late August. I kept doing an ok job after that and set my goal to change after my year 2 vest. In 2021 my forte feedback was “needs improvement” but I didn’t care, as I was concentrating more on leetcode and interviewing. Finally I did get a few offers and accepted one. During exit my manager informed me that I am not eligible for rehire at Amazon and I told him that not to worry as I won’t be considering Amazon in the future. Although I got a huge TC bump, I didn't leave for TC, I am looking for interesting work and good culture. TC while joining Amazon: 292k TC while I left Amazon: 315k due to stock TC while joining Roku: > 510k Current TC: > 550k with recent base increase and additional stock grants #amazon #pip Edit1: I work with excellent PMs at Roku and respect them. The PMs I worked with at Amazon are complete idiots. Edit 2: Addressing the comment if this is related to technically incompetent managers. My experience says no. Managers: 1. My 1st manager was an L7 SDM. He was very supportive but not a science manager. I feel he sensed I was not happy with the project. He was open to me spending part of my time with the other L7 science manager who played a crucial role in my hiring and who was my 2nd manager after the re-org. However, it was only for 3 months he was my manager and then the re-org happened. 2. My 2nd manager was very technically competent, PhD with years of experience. But he was a bully, a micro-manager and the 1-1 felt like harassment.  3. My 3rd manager was a science manager, technically competent and a decent person. PMs: All of them were terrible. 1. Already told about the 1st PM, not going to repeat it. 2. Another PM wanted to make a small tweak to the Alexa feature, run A/B tests and show improvement. Improvement can also mean decrease in -ve engagement. Given the number of metric and scale, one can easily show a statistically significant improvement for a reasonable tweak. I was tasked with running sql scripts and writing reports. Great for the PM's promo but terrible for my growth. 3. A PM said she will not let me start an A/B test unless I include more features for my model and do an evaluation. Even though I showed significant improvement in off-line metrics with the features I used. And this after literally fighting to get time from her and she gives me this input just before jumping to another team!

Amazon mil3$8 Mar 12, 2022

Thanks for sharing! I’m not in the same field as you are but a huge congrats on fighting for your interest that turned out to be an amazing raise too! I’m happy things worked out

Roku hydd$&&@ OP Mar 12, 2022

Thank you.

Amazon MVPip Mar 12, 2022

No rehire just because of forte rating?

Roku hydd$&&@ OP Mar 12, 2022

Who cares? I would have never come back to Amazon anyways.

Amazon MVPip Mar 12, 2022

Very true. Just childish on their part and that’s why less are joining

Addison Group Aero1888 Mar 12, 2022

People forget that TC is everything. Interest in the work you do is extremely important!

Roku hydd$&&@ OP Mar 12, 2022

I am lucky that I got my interest with a huge TC bump.

Goldman Sachs AMZ=WITCH Mar 12, 2022

Thanks for posting! Is easier to identify you though

Roku hydd$&&@ OP Mar 12, 2022

Don't care.

Walmart zNQF01 Mar 12, 2022

Nice they tried to give you the boot out the door and you said no need and gave them the finger, well done!

Roku hydd$&&@ OP Mar 12, 2022

Lol! Thanks.

Walmart zNQF01 Mar 12, 2022

Also what is a “forte” rating? How’s that different from “needs improvement”?

Amazon vbhbb Mar 12, 2022

Dude don’t call PM idiots. They are just doing what leadership wants at Amazon

Roku hydd$&&@ OP Mar 12, 2022

Lol! I work with excellent PMs at Roku and the ones I worked with at Amazon are idiots.

Roku rokuguy Mar 12, 2022

I know who you are :) Thanks for sharing your story. I’m sure it’s not all bad in every team at Amazon (friends in Alexa on device are liking it there) but your providing hope to the many who are in same situation. Glad that you found your spot here, and grateful to have you as colleague.

Roku hydd$&&@ OP Mar 12, 2022

Thanks. I love it here.

Amazon ttyttyi Mar 12, 2022

I read this out and at a point I realized I may know you op, and we are LinkedIn friends lol!! I'm glad you got out and got a nice TC bump in the process.

Roku hydd$&&@ OP Mar 12, 2022

Thanks but honestly the TC bump was bonus. I really love the work and people here.

Amazon Bello674 Mar 12, 2022

Congrats OP - working on interesting challenges which build your resume, portfolio and portable skillsets is important... and LeetCoding like a champ at all times. Congrats on getting out of Amazon and doubly congrats on the huge TC bump. Amazon marked you needs improvement and you marked them beyond saving. Herewith, I gift to you........ *the Rules* Rule 1 = Avoid Amazon / AWS Rule 2 = Avoid any companies which hire ex Amazon / AWS managers Rule 3 = Follow Rule 1 and In your next company join the hiring panels to keep Rule 2 enforced You are welcome……

Roku hydd$&&@ OP Mar 13, 2022

Thanks. The problem with Amazon is that the toxic culture flows from Bezos's dirty mind that empowers toxic people and keeps decent people powerless. They need a massive culture change.

Amazon aIvh80 Mar 13, 2022

I wonder if this is also related to former PMs and TPMs turned SDMs at Amazon. I had trouble working for mangers who were not developers. There care about results not the team health. It's not their fault. It's hard to have empathy when you haven't been in dev's shoes.

Bloomberg gotta<go> Jun 27, 2022

How’s the Roku stock treating you now champ?

Roku gftexxc Jun 27, 2022

Roku is mostly cash. They gave us a base bump and extra stock in Feb. So TC is down but still over 500.