Kindly help me evaluate the job offers Wayfair (Boston) 180/27/145 = 352k Pro - Good TC Con - Boston (expensive/traffic), Would need to learn php Capital One (Richmond) 180/27 = 207k Pro - Java (no ramp up), Interesting Project, next level would be Director Con - Much less TC that Wayfair Yoe : 14 (Married & kids) Does one of the companies look better on resume than other? Is the work culture drastically different? Does the low cost of living compensate for the salary difference? #wayfair #capitalone #tech UPDATE : Seems like consensus is towards Wayfair so I ll give it a shot and see if I can survive Boston. Further the folks at Wayfair seemed like a fun bunch
What’s the title for Wayfair position?
Staff Software Engineer
Boston: Boston TC offsets HCL + best public schools in the country for your kids.
Thats what i was leaning towards...thanks
What's the general reputation of SWE at wayfair? I have onsite interviews there this week, haven't gotten a good sense of their engineering culture yet. Offer seems to be reasonable if not spectacular.
Some teams are great...others in supply chain have to support legacy apps....amd the 2019 mass layoffs seem to have affected the morale...I would wait for a current employee to improve/validate this answer
I’d go with Wayfair. It’s a great offer, at the top of band. Don’t expect any massive changes in your TC over next 4 years or a promo. Wayfair’s technical track is incomplete as compared to the managerial track. Ask for full time remote and quarterly vesting starting day 1.
Note to self : EVERYTHING is negotiable.... should have made this thread earlier...thank you future colleague
Just one more note since you haven’t negotiated vesting or remote. Work your ass off the first year to get your vest then start LC and systems design prep for a full year, targeting the next round of interviews with FB, Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and others in Boston for the 2 year mark!
I went to Boston for wayfair, only to be kicked out about 10 months later in the 2019 layoffs. Hands down the worst experience of my professional career. My advice: make sure the person you work for is good, there are some real bad apples there, and they can be hard to detect from the outside. Definitely get quarterly vesting as part of the offer. Also you mentioned you will have to learn php, wayfair is not a good place to be learning new skills on the job imho. Also with kids, you are going to have to live in brookline or newton which means the commute will suck. Is wfh an option? And finally bear in mind the tech scene in boston is very limited, most of the industry here is pharma. In short, I know nothing about richmond, but if you want stability I'd go for capital one. If you want to role the dice on a potentially high paying opportunity, go for wayfair.
That was insightful... especially about Boston...i am thinking about Dedham...do u happen to have some idea about that place
From the statement being made about Capital One and stability, won’t that offer still be around in a year? I’d think most folks will end up taking Wayfair offer. Why not take the risk with Wayfair and then step down to Capital One’s lower TC if it doesn’t pan out? Also, does it make sense to negotiate for director at Capital One? I’ve seen directors at Capital One come in as staff or senior managers at Wayfair.
Wayfair. That’s too big a Tc difference to pass up, and it’s not toooo terrible on the resume. Be aware that their technical track above senior is new and incomplete. For a long time Wayfair has treated the managers path as the only path, and that’s baked into their culture. You’ll have to be adaptable to have impact at that scope. Plus side their location is accessible from the green or orange lines, and not too far from the red at park, so your commute options will be wide, post COVID
Eventually I want to pivot to the manager track too..so that works....i just hope the public transportation is not as crowded as the tube(london) during peak hours
That TC is almost equivalent if you compare those two cities. FYI, I have lived in both cities. I would pick Capital One because of stability , WLB, and location. Also this OP: Check out this post! "Technical incompetence at Wayfair -- is there anything worse?? (Tech Industry)" https://us.teamblind.com/s/43wn8iLT
Wow...just wow....the fact that Wayfair employees validated that post is even more scary...i guess I would need to do another job search in 6 months coz capital one isnt too appealing ....thanks for sharing that post
Can verify the information on that post. However, the things called out there have improved quite a lot since it was posted 2 years ago. By no means are they all fixed and other problems not mentioned in that post still exist, but the picture has changed for the positive quite a bit. Feel free to DM if you want to chat more OP.
Seems like Wayfair could end up having layoffs. Better offer, but less security. Capital one is pretty secure and tech skills are highly valued
Capital one was recently on 9th spot on fortune best places to work...however the gentlemen that interviewed me in behavioral and coding rounds constantly kept cutting me even when they liked my answers.... It reminded me of my managers from 7 years ago and I did not feel happy even after all rounds went great. I think Capital one is one of the few financial institutions that have a good work culture, but they should put a bit more focus on the attitude of the individuals who represent them
If you aim for director then go for capital one. Wayfair can open door for amazon and other companies easily. In your shoes, I pick wayfair.
Thanks...this helps
Wayfair closes more doors than it opens due to bad perspective people have on tech and culture, just ask around