My prediction is work from home lasts forever and most of us never going back to office. Its a one way door and now there is no going back. In past other companies used to follow faang but in this case they are weaponizing wfh to compete with faang offers. It takes just one faang to fall (probably amazon) for all others to scrap rto plans. If 1 faang is paying 300-400k tc with remote work it will be very hard for other faangs to hire talent. They probably have to offer 600k to move 1 family to HCOL to match 400k remote offer. My thoughts on some counter arguments - 1. Innovation - Most companies don't innovate now or has inovated in past and just in mode to reap benefits (netfix, cisco, ibm, vmware, sap, all banks, witch, etc). Most employees are not expected to inovate (all devops, testing, recruiting etc). Teams expected to inovate can be easily identified and asked to be in person. 2. Big tech is invested in RE - Big tech is competing for talent with other big tech, mid size and startups. If 1 faangs goes all remote all other will start losing talent slowly. 3. All seniors are living near office - New grads are not moving to their office locations and few people started buying house far from office location. It will take time but in few years we will have considerable people not living anywhere near office and it will be nearly impossible to rto for companies. 4. Employees want to go to office - Employee want many things to change at their company (at least compensation) but have very little power to cause organizational change. Switching to greener pastures is the only option. And many more also want to wfh. 5. Tesla, apple is back now - Yes and they will suffer with high attrition in future if others are remote. Its not all people leaving in a week thing. It slow and steady hiring difficulties + high attrition. 6. Big tech buying/building offices - Big tech is known to put huge amount of money in multiple money pits. This is one of that. They can afford to do so. On other side many are getting rid of office space (netflix, splunk, sap etc). Conclusion - We should start pricing in possibility of remote future and make our decisions according to that. Examples - 1. If you live in lcol, start pushing for tier 1 remote offers while interviewing. 2. Be prepared to compete with US talent pool/global pool. 3. Consider possibility of house price going up in nice remote places like Colorado, tahoe, few So cal locations etc. 4. Be wary of paying premium on house for short commute. If you are buying/investing in metro area take a step back and think one more time. Specially commercial real estate and houses whose selling point is tech job opportunities in area. Tldr - Remote work is not fully priced in for many commodities including real estate. This can be good opportunity to take advantage of that. If we were to be back in person we would have been back by now. We should start accepting and pricing in new reality. Yes there is possibility I might be wrong. That's why posting here to here other's thoughts. Wont be replying to comments but will read them all. Tc - ~500k Yoe - 12 #remotework #wfh
I think you're right. Graduate schools (not requiring in-person research, such as CS programs) are starting to offer 100% remote education. Remote is the future of most schooling as well. Work from home is a shift in the paradigm of civilization and will help us greatly reduce human impact on climate. Like how the car reduced the amount of horse dung littering the streets, the internet will reduce the amount of crap littering our air
On point 🙌
Remote education is the worst thing, everyone in my classr hated those to core in my school.
Most LCOL areas are usually shitholes with nothing to do, that only older folks want to settle down in. People will continue to be fine taking M/HCOL jobs, in areas with good transportation options and job opportunities. Why eliminate job mobility by completely eliminating hybrid ad full in-office jobs?
Wfh provides complete job mobility - live wherever you want
As long as someone is willing to hire you to WFH. Apply a modicum of critical thinking and you’ll realize that eliminates a lot of jobs.
There is no possibility you're wrong. We are remote forever
Ok
Wfh forever
WFH for life. Hope it never ends.
I think remote and hybrid are here to stay. Companies will continue to use it to attract workers/keep them happy and it’ll be as normal as a 401k. The bigger issue imo is being tracked. Read this interesting article about remote work tracking hell. Yeahyeah I know every click I make is tracked but I don’t want to be penalized because I pick up my phone to post on Blind. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/14/business/worker-productivity-tracking.html?unlocked_article_code=AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACEIPuomT1JKd6J17Vw1cRCfTTMQmqxCdw_PIxfs9gGPzNiGeVTdcwqNPW9LavB-dIvM_INEuxDWdScRad6AoXv9_1KpHJUthVgK0o4WFhIVAPz88ooGyWGxw347IWfpw1w7WWVSDCbU1wqyj7VXBMT6sDOeMgzB6Y1p4psBnIV_9jCMXlfqWEfpy3NZ9wfZyUctlEG9UNiCJuvXpXhgoK8zGOk-HknQ-XeBZXjzVnNOOuflXIEgJVwWwHD4o6n086dhcJNodIK77ShUjc8b4irkVYXd6eMbrX9ZiAtiJyMg59OLFuheOy8GpxvUpFKkyv7vMtmuyMFlHW6qNSJtu_7TFBB7-h0Gx8z0K&smid=url-share
Lol as if our work computers weren't already bloated with corporate spyware even before wfh
Only for top performers like it used to be.
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He can change his mind
We both know he won’t