What’s going on in the Middle East is horrible for Jews and Palestinians alike. Let’s recognize a few things. 1-borders have always changed via war, and there can be multiple groups that have ancestral claim to the same land. This is true of Israel - it was Jewish land thousands of years ago (before Islam was even founded). It was then Palestinian land, and in between that time it was neither Jewish nor Palestinian land (for example, when conquered by Babylon). Now it is Jewish land once again. 2-these wars were often fought over natural resources (such as arable land) which, now due to modern industry and technology, isn’t essential for a society like it used to be. For example, a land locked country can be incredibly wealthy if they have lots of programmers. 3-wars and terrorism are senseless, and only beget more death. It’s in everyone’s best interest to maintain the status quo and keep steady borders. 3-in the short-term, Jews and Palestinians are unlikely to want to live together. So a one state solution doesn’t make sense for at least 25-50 years, if ever given the differences between views on human rights and such in Judaism and Islam. 4-a two state solution could work, but Jews must not encroach/settle Palestinian lands, and Palestinians should not commit terror attacks against Israel from them. This also isn’t likely in the near future. Given that people generally want to feel autonomous and governed by people who share similar religious views, why doesn’t Egypt annex Gaza. The Gazans will then be represented by a Muslim government closer to their views who would hopefully remove radicalism and help people accept that Israel is now Jewish land. Similarly, the West Bank can be annexed by Jordan, who like Egypt, has decent relations with Israel. In the end, this can then allow people to focus on building a life where they are at now. Edit: I know neither Egypt nor Jordan really want Palestinians, even if they were allowed to continue living in Gaza or the West Bank. Thus, the Palestinians should be self-critical and think about what the issue is with them (as the issue is no longer about Israel forcing them out of their land, but rather with their radical, irrational viewpoints)
TLDR get rid of Palestine?
Why can’t Israel give up some its land up north, move Gaza there and annex the strip?
Homes my bro. Its not a puzzle piece
Israel already ripped up settlements out of Gaza around 2006. Left a functioning airport and seaport. Hamas took over and are not serious about governing.
Firstly let me say that I agree with much of what you’ve outlined if we were able to enact a hard reset, devoid of the hundreds, if not thousands of years of religious baggage associated. With that said.. Egypt and Jordan have no interest in absorbing the liability of Hamas’ lingering presence within those populations. Even if its only 2-5% it represents exponential downside for them when it comes to maintaining peace and stability within their own countries. You’d need commitment from the UN or some kind of outside support structure in terms of both manpower to ensure peace and stopping further militarization, along with monetary incentivizes for them to absorb these lands and their people. Plus you have forces like Qatar who want to help prop up Hamas bc they’re a useful tool to diminish Israel as a proxy.
Re: outside support - that was US play with Iraq and Afghanistan. Look how well that worked
Tough analogy bc US was trying to stand up entirely new governments rather than folding the governance of new land/population under longstanding and established governments. But I take your point, it’s hardly a guarantee of success, so much as another element that would be needed if it were to even have a real chance.
Or why not just give Palestinian lands back to Palestinians so they can stop fighting and build their country.
But like from when? 1948? 1973? Pre 2002? None of its going to happen unless the international community actually commits to it. It’s useful for too many people to keep the present state running, in al it’s bloody horror.
A. Theres no agreement on what is Palestinian land B. That wouldn’t solve anything
We should just switch the roles and put the Israelis into Gaza/West Bank for a trial period of 50 years while giving billions in US aid every year to Palestinians. I am sure Israelis can develope a thriving community there as well.
Egypt doesn't want Gaza, but thanks for actually presenting a relatively balanced and not purely cynical account of the conflict, very rare on blind.
4. Discover oil in the West Bank. America will then liberate the region.
You give the palestinians 90% of land they will try to genocide you for the remaining 10%. They are just not good neighbors.
You seem like you hate to read history. Jews lived in Palestine for hundreds of years under different Muslim era. They still says till this day that was the time of their lives in comparison to living under the Roman's empire, Pharoah's and other empires. But then came the idea of Zionism which believes that it's ok to kill and kick the Palestinians out of Palestine to build Israel. Here you can't do anything but to fight for generations to get your land back!
The early Zionists immigrated to Palestine and bought real estate from locals. Arabs were disturbed by their presence and started to massacre Jews as early as 1920. Zionists had a policy of non-retaliation. It took 16 years and lots of killings for Jews to engage in anti-Arab violence, and only a radical minority broke the policy of restraint.
why don't usa annex these lands and declare everyone in gaza citizen? I am sure they will be Happy. truth - nobody wants these people
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Egypt and Jordan don’t want these people either. This would create more political instability as it would drain their economy and create security challenges. This is the sad truth, but it’s much more convenient for these governments to just point the blame at Israel.
Yeah that’s what I’ve heard from friends in Jordan too. It’s just taxing to try and control the extremists, and even worse is the threat it could be on your rule
Not only that - Israel occupied Gaza when it was under Egypt's control, but Gazans weren't Egyptian citizens. Similarly, Israel occupied the west bank from Jorden, but Jorden never asked for these territories back. As a result, Gaza and the west bank aren't formally occupied territories, they're territories under dispute. That doesn't mean much in reality, just saying neither Egypt nor Jordan want those territories (which is unfortunate, this could have been a good solution).