87kTC @ 4yoe (Austin, see username for employer) I am weighing 4 offers in the Bay Area. All of them have been negotiated. Thank you to the people sharing interview and negotiation advice, and to the ones who convinced me to buy Leetcode Premium. All four of these offers will be life-changing for me. 1. Facebook E3 Menlo Park 202.5kTC: 125k base, 200k equity (25/25/25/25 vest), 60k sign-on, 10% annual bonus Team: to be decided after boot camp 2. Google L3 Mountain View 188kTC: 120k base, 160k equity (25/25/25/25 vest), 40k sign-on, 15% annual bonus Team: in the Geo org 3. Uber L3 Sunnyvale 205kTC: 125k base, 235k equity (35/30/20/15 vest), 25k sign-on, 15k annual bonus Team: Uber Freight 4. Amazon L4 Palo Alto 195kTC: 115k base, 230k equity (5/15/40/40 vest), 50k sign-on, 40k second-year Team: something in supply chain optimization While I feel fortunate to have gotten 4 offers, I am only seriously considering Facebook and Google. I do not like Uber's business model and I do not want to get placed on PIP as "un-regretted attrition" by Mr. Bezos. At Google, I am confident about the manager I'll be working under. Their career achievements are very similar to my career goals. I have also looked at some of my teammates to be and they are very strong engineers. All signals point to this being a team that I would be happy being on and learn a lot while working on. While I am not foolish enough to take 7-8% less TC simply for the Google "brand" on my resume, I place a lot of weight on my happiness, quality of life, and learning. I think I would be compromising on career growth and compensation but in exchange this team looks as close as I can get to a sure bet of an environment that will help me become a much better engineer. At Facebook, I'll be making a lot more. Given Uber's stagnant stock, I consider this my actual highest offer. I have heard good things about Facebook performance reviews, promotion process, remote policies, and the abundance of impactful work. However, I do not have a definite team match, I'm not as sure that I'll be happy there, I don't really like their product, and after talking to my friends I think I could easily wind up on a team where I do not really do or learn much. So, Blind, is 14.5kTC/yr worth saying no to a company, culture, and team that feel exactly like what I'm looking for? #tech #facebook #google #uber #amazon #offereval #offerreview
Just go to google you know you want to and you will be always thinking what if over 14k
But instead I might be thinking "what if I made 14k more"
The quality of googs benefits (401k match, etc) exceed the 14k discrepancy.
I would say Go to Google if you need good WLB ..it might still backfire based on the team but probability is less. Go to FB if you are young and can work for long hours and can handle stress and can sacrifice WLB a little.
WLB isn't bad at FB
Probably depends on the team
14k is peanuts, unless you’re tight on money then take the higher offer. Otherwise, go with your gut feel. Can’t go wrong with either tbh
Why 0 votes for Earth best employer (aka Amazon) 😭😭😭
I’m beginning to think we were tricked 😓
Take Google. Amazing wlb Great culture, code base, focus on tech Solving amazing problems Amazing stack, engineers are empowered Industry wide best practices start at Google, you join and you get a feel for the right thing to do/ best practices and processes. You take them with you to any subsequent companies. Bragging rights.
What os leetcode premium and how ot was different?
You have access to far more questions and are able to look up Leetcode questions by company. Helps a lot at Facebook because they seem to be rely on a limited question bank. At Google I did not get any direct matches but it helped me prepare for the style of question that they ask.
google vesting is not like this dude.
+1. Base salary and vesting giving me sus vibes (I'm at g now new grad and this offer is def not anything like it)
Here's a copy-paste of a section of the offer letter so you know it's not fake: Benefits As a regular full-time employee you will be eligible for various benefits offered to similarly-situated Google employees in accor- dance with the terms of Google’s policies and benefit plans. Among other things, these benefits currently include medical and dental insurance, life insurance, and a 401(k) retirement plan. You will be automatically enrolled in the pre-tax 401(k) plan at 10% into the plan’s default investment fund (see the Plan’s SPD for the latest information), which is a portfolio of stocks and bonds that gradually becomes more conservative as your year of retirement approaches. You will be able to change your deferral amount and fund allocation upon your hire. The eligibility requirements and other information regarding these benefits are set forth in more detailed documents that are available from Google. With the exception of the “employment at-will” policy discussed herein, Google may, from time to time in its sole discretion, modify or eliminate its policies and the benefits offered to employees. You can compare it to your own offer letters and you should at least be able to confirm that I have a Google offer letter. Unless the wording of my letter is different from standard too. Then I'll have to start wondering if my Hiring Manager is a Nigerian prince.
You landed 3 of 5 FAANGs plus Uber. That's phenomenal. Don't doubt your interviewing skills, you did a great job recruiting and you can't go wrong. I would encourage a mindset change. When your TC is 87K, 14K feels like a lot. When your TC is ~200K, 14K isn't nothing but imo it's a small price to pay for a good manager, team fit, and motivation. In a big SV company and close to entry level, those 3 things will pay the difference back pretty quickly (<2yrs). If still in doubt, press Google to match, it would be petty of them not to
This. When thinking about the 14k, OP needs to be thinking about it using these new job offers as the frame of reference, not his/her current job. As Lyft said, 14k sounds like a lot now but that's the wrong way to think about this and ultimately it's table scraps between the new jobs.
14k is approx $340 USD more/less every pay period. Doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things.
As far as FB goes, do you understand the bootcamp process? The only way you join a team where you don't do or learn much is if you yourself choose poorly. You get up to 12 weeks to sit with teams and work with them before you get any pressure to choose where you join. I repeat: you are in complete control of what you do. Each bootcamper has been getting at least a dozen reach outs and you can proactively reach out to teams you're interested in also. Also, FB is more than the social media platform of FB. Aside from Instagram and Whatsapp, there are a lot of exciting products in FRL.
I know boot camp is a lot of time and you get to try out working on different teams before you join. Should I be totally confident then that my team at Facebook will be at least as good as my current team match at Google?
From the sounds of it, you're valuing growth. Tldr; I think your confidence can be as high as you're willing to be proactive. Depending on the org you join, you may have a ton of contact with only your team, or even more contact with teams you collaborate with. Quality mentors can be found in both. While you sit with a team, you can ask about that. From my experience starting at FB recently, most eng have incentive to mentor since it can be part of their People axis during performance review. The intern on my team was quickly assigned a couple mentors and a few peers to fast track their growth. Within a week of joining my team, I was introduced to two mentors and I sought out two more on my own. As with anywhere else, there are good and not so good engineers here, with the not so good not lasting or focused on fast delivery. If you're a SWE, you're king here and have a ton of responsibilities, but can also shape exactly what you do and specialize in (or not specialize in...)
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120 base for google? I'm new grad at google and the base for MTV is 131... ur either lying or somethings terribly mistaken
Is this overall offer lower than a new grad MTV offer? I might need to talk to my recruiter. Maybe my interview performance wasn't as good as I thought.
I thought the base salary is fixed. Never seen 120 base. Even last year it was 126 minimum I thought