Tech IndustryNov 2, 2023
eBaydataliar

Uber Sr DS Product offer eval

Seems like I got lowballed for a L5, what do you all think? I hear there is a L5b at Uber? How do I negotiate? I have some pre-ipo onsites in the next couple of weeks. Background - PhD + 3. Want to move from MLS to Product over the next 5 years, so I understand I will take a temporary TC hit. #tech #uber

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TC: $300K
Senior Data Scientist
Sunnyvale, CA, US • 5a
TC: $325K
$185K
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$110K
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Uber o🖕💩bn Nov 2, 2023

That's the best you're gonna get

eBay dataliar OP Nov 2, 2023

How much more do Applied Scientists get compared to DS?

Uber o🖕💩bn Nov 2, 2023

They are both made up jobs, so they pay the same

eBay nwnw Nov 2, 2023

Equity $110k is for one year or four years?

eBay dataliar OP Nov 2, 2023

One year. TC is annual.

Instacart cv_2022 Nov 2, 2023

You want to move from machine learning to product? Did I hear that right?

eBay dataliar OP Nov 2, 2023

Yes. I hate the MLS/MLE job. I hated it at Amazon and even more at eBay. People working so hard to improve some precision value, some CTR, or some nonsense metric by 0.1% and then pushing that into a sub standard product sold by sub standard marketing people. Even the best models will get diluted by a river of incompetent product builders and sellers. I also figured out that I like the part of ideating and selling cool products more than building it. With my knowledge of ML, Experimentation, and Causal Identification, I think I can be a solid product manager. Also, ML will shift wildly over the next decade or so. It makes more sense to me to learn how to monetize this shit more than the implement the latest model.

Wayfair Xjucne Nov 2, 2023

But product ds will be the priorities to be axed while things getting worse?

Snap ejlf22 Nov 2, 2023

Please understand that in the majority of tech companies product DS is paid less than eng or ML-focused DS. Just so you know.

eBay dataliar OP Nov 2, 2023

Yeah, wrote that in the post itself. I wanted to know if this is the right comp.

Snap ejlf22 Nov 2, 2023

I see. I don’t know about Uber. Do you know how that relates to Meta? TC IC5 is about 300 at Meta, IC6 is around 425.

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eBay dataliar OP Nov 2, 2023

Pricing. Any idea about the L5b and if there's any way of negotiating the level?

Roku tallroku Nov 3, 2023

Sounds like a great offer tbh and product area seems good too

Brandwatch Ecle63 Nov 2, 2023

Is the Uber position data scientist or applied scientist? Just wanna make sure as they’re subtly different

Uber DashPass Nov 2, 2023

How much were you expecting to get

eBay dataliar OP Nov 2, 2023

350sh.

Uber ( ๏ 人 ๏ ) Nov 2, 2023

Is 300k first year's TC with front loading or average across 4y with our refreshers? If it is latter then the first year TC will indeed be around 350k. With refreshers and decent performance it won't fall under 350k either

Uber udacly Nov 5, 2023

L5a is senior, l5b is staff. Phd + 3 mostly map to senior unless you are already at staff equivalent role in eBay. You can check levels.fyi

eBay dataliar OP Nov 5, 2023

I was L6 at Amazon before eBay. eBay was a job I took after getting laidoff. L6 at Amazon spans over L5a and b it seems

Amazon OffToG Nov 5, 2023

Don't buy into this stupidity. Uber L5b used to be just senior 2 and L6 was staff. Ther performance of people were pretty much that. Just because they change the title, seniors are not going to become staff overnight lol. Don't ever accept L5a from Amazon L6. It's straight up downlevel even if u were just promoted to L6 at amazon

Instacart rando_1 Feb 12

Wondering if OP accepted the job and how the experience has been.