Tech IndustryMar 28, 2023
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Was there a defining moment that foreshadowed the decline of IBM?

IBM was the Google of its day before hardware became good, cheap, and readily available. It was where the industry’s top minds would go after graduating from elite schools. They invented SQL, HDD, DRAM, and dominated the mainframe market. But for the past decade it’s been turning into this run-of-the-mill, code factory/consulting shop. Was it just a slow, unremarkable demise? Or was there something to trigger it? Where people looked and thought “yeah, ok they’re no longer what they used to be.” As if they saw through the illusion of genius. TC: 100k

Meta Qiuy84 Mar 28, 2023

Wow, this is such a good question. I want to see the answers to this

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🇺🇦❤️🇺🇸 Mar 28, 2023

I guess they did not realize how revolutionary internet could be.

Salesforce GPTFTW Mar 28, 2023

WebSphere became so complicated that companies need to hire an army of consultants to get it properly installed.

IBM YPSq01 Apr 11, 2023

Afaik Liberty is still horrible to install and maintain

NVIDIA sugoine Mar 28, 2023

To me it's the failure of OS/2

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MBcY16 OP Mar 28, 2023

What’s OS/2?

Meta duhbru Mar 28, 2023

Now I feel old...

Amazon Xdzx67 Mar 28, 2023

Cold Fusion did a video on the rise and fall of IBM: https://youtu.be/d5lEkz3Bomc

Okta sWym25 Mar 28, 2023

I think it’s because the mainframe market got cannibalized by cheap HP/Dell servers and the enterprise OS market was cannibalized by Microsoft and Linux. There were cheaper and often better alternatives to everything that IBM offered by the mid 90s. Same thing happened to Sun. Cloud computing was the final nail in the coffin. This happens to all big companies, they get fat off a successful product and then they get stuck trying to maintain the market for it while people develop better and cheaper alternatives.

Marvell nonseq Mar 28, 2023

Also the PC x86 architecture got standardized (and cheaper than PowerPC) by Wintel.

IBM YPSq01 Apr 11, 2023

What’s crazy is this is not actually true anymore when counting TCO, licensing, support etc

Google wut 😮 Mar 28, 2023

Classic example of the Innovator’s Dilemma. The internet boom really cemented them as “old” and stodgy and unable to adapt. Before then, they were still the best choice for big tech. Of course, everyone was gunning for them from mainframes to PCs with clones.

Google LOAD "*",8 Mar 28, 2023

They didn't capitalize on the success of microcomputers, msdos/windows/Linux took off and os/2 didn't. Lost control of the market when pc clones came out. Their legacy business of AIX, OS/390, AS/400 got eaten away by cheaper alternatives.

Google wut 😮 Mar 28, 2023

I remember doing a project on an OS/2 machine when it first came out (‘89 or ‘90); it was pretty neat.

Google LOAD "*",8 Mar 28, 2023

The built in mahjong game was the bomb. That's the only thing I used it for though...

GE ChatGPT9.0 Mar 28, 2023

you can still make 200K+ base at IBM in the right tech role at the senior level, depends on your career aspirations, rest and invest

Amazon btricekido Mar 28, 2023

IBM lost its focus . They became a sales-led org and everyone had a sales quota. Developers were asked to develop sales ready products and started reporting to sales . They made Watson and then just started selling it with no PMF. It became toxic to work at IBM. Even today it’s all about Sales .

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MBcY16 OP Mar 28, 2023

I’ll never understand major companies that either go all in on product or sales, and completely neglect the other.