I see many local graduates from Washington colleges like EWU, WWU, CWU, and WSU but they are not working for the local companies (Microsoft and Amazon). Some abuse I’ve noticed of the H1B system. 1. Teams lean heavily towards the ethnicity of the line managers. So much so that two countries that make up maybe 5% of the US population are more than 80% of engineering. American Hispanic population is vastly underrepresented but many of them pursue STEM degrees. 2. H1B is for employees with specialized knowledgeable but I have not seen a team member or anyone in my org with specialized domain knowledge. 3 H1B are more likely to stay in a company as conditions decline (see Twitter and even Amazon), which is a negative to local workers. 4. Companies like Amazon and Microsoft support vast immigration but refuse to spend money on more housing to make up for the numbers they hire into the local area. A US Citizen with a CS degree (or related) should always be prioritized over someone from another country. No leetcode bullshit or other to filter employees. US schools do not focus on rote memorization such as leetcode which has done us well (see pre 90s Microsoft/Apple/IBM, pre 2010s Google, today SpaceX and OpenAI. Hiring Americans is a win for innovation.
BECAUSE IN USA THERE’s NO DISCRIMINATION BASED ON CASTE, RELIGION, SKIN COLOR, RACE, etc. Only thing matters is TALENT. So if a legal immigrant is talented then a citizen job will be given to him. US CITIZEN HAS NO SPECIAL RESERVATIONS IN JOBS.
The mistake is that some cultures see rote memorization as talent and hire based off of that “talent” resulting in a hive mind from two countries and killing all innovation. OpenAI does not sponsor H1B and for a good reason.
Welcome to tech! In the name of diversity the two Asian countries only hire their compatriots! This is pretty typical and unfortunately nothing you can do about it
Why nothing can be done about it?
You're delusional if you think Diversity and Inclusion quotas have anything to do with hiring Asians lol. Ask any HR folks if they have specific D&I quotas for Asian people and you'll get a blank stare. Asians (including Indians) are the majority, not minority in Tech. There's no inclusion needed. In fact, they're overrepresented.
You nailed it, OP. At Microsoft, once an immigrant manager starts managing a team within about 12-18 months most, if not all, of the team are compatriots. The citizens have either changed teams, moved on or been managed out.
That's the job of the government to figure out. Why would a corporation care? They have no concerns with meritocracy here. If you're going to dive further into interview standards, then that is a separate topic from the H1B system.
You must be joking! Why would a company care if managers don’t hire based on merit but based on ethnicity??? Has your mono cell mind thought that this is killing innovation and hurting company’s revenue?
Thanks for saying exactly what I just said.
Daddy Trump will fix this
As long as he’s not jailed in 4+ cases that he’s been indicted on
Let’s apply this to business aswell. Let’s make Apple, Google, Amazon and other US based global companies stop doing business every where other USA. Let’s then talk about how American citizens get jobs.. beyond public sector 😂🤣… you are soo self entitled kid… GROW UP
Maybe you should actually learn English before trying to talk shit, you sound mentally handicapped.
Another desi spotted!
Agreed. Sister is a recent SWE grad and struggling to get a single interview. We need more Latino representation.
Companies pursue their own interests, people should not expect anything else. Race and cultural identity are irrelevant in a competitive workforce.
That's why we have a govt that should mitigate the greedy behaviour out those companies. Yes, I'm a migrant too.
You're salty that people with no connections and who speak broken English are able to get these jobs. It is talent like this that allows American companies to compete globally.
There are some very talented immigrants but many of the SWEs are just average, or mediocre, and were hired by managers from their countries.
Agree, but those average engineers somehow passed the leetcode filter… which the citizen didn’t pass. Sure, I don’t like leetcode. But I still prefer to have that filter that evaluates the technical aspect some how vs not having anything and get someone just because is from some lucky country (citizen or immigrant).
Why would a mediocre get hired over a talented person? I’m not saying all H1Bs are talented and all locals are mediocre but that should answer your question
You don't need talent for a lot of jobs just be able to do it competently. Especially the ones working on internal tools.
Go say that to your employer 😅
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Let me guess! Desi?