Recently moved to the Bay area and I am already so fucking depressed.
1. Why are the roads so narrow and uneven?
2. Why do we have so many homeless people around?😱. This should be classified as a national emergency.
3. Why is everywhere so grey and depressing? People stare so much yet, no one gives you a smile on the street.
Where are the skyscrapers? Beautiful streets? Happy people?
I feel completely out of sorts. I miss Texas so much. And heaven knows I will happily go back for less TC. I was very happy in Texas. Maybe because I had friends and loved ones there. I should have visited before accepting the offer😪. I really really hate the mountains around.
Maybe things will get better when I start making friends at work. Until then, I am going to try not to jump back in my car and get the hell out of here.
If you have recommendations for fun, hip bars/events around, kindly mention the name and location.
TC: 110k (only adding this because it's a tradition. kindly do not remind me about my low TC, I am honestly very happy with it. Thanks).
Recently moved to the Bay area and I am already so fucking depressed.
- Pandora x0kjFThis is what unchecked liberalism does to a country. Take note. Stick around, make yourself heard in local government. Maybe we can change things.
- LinkedIn / Eng The zapperSounds pretty socialist, for the greater common good 😛. So I buy a house and I get fucked because the city allows unprecedented construction next to me meanwhile a block down everyone’s unaffected. How do you determine what’s fair? Just fair market? What about emotional damage? What if homeowners sue? How does it look to the public and media? In the end with all these costs can this remain profitable?
- Google shironekoBut have you seen my beautiful Python (leet)code?! Have you witnessed the graceful skylines? Bay Area is for TC farmers, not cow farmers. Sorry, dear Texan.
- New / Project AqBH18moreWhere were you in TX? I'm thinking of leaving CA too. 30s female single and dating is terrible in the small town I'm in.
- TI / Product uccI moved to the Bay area from Dallas as well. Similar TC.
I don’t understand why people are so defensive. There are good things here in the Bay. I love the redwoods, SF can be fun, and I enjoy the wineries. I cannot say I find it ugle here, but I do have some thoughts in comparing DFW to the Bay. I have live six years in each place.
What most people don’t get is that moving here from Dallas is a very hard thing to do socially. In Dallas there is a very good mix of professional backgrounds — not everyone is in tech. The foodie scene is terrific there. When I moved here, so many people were trying so hard to “introduce me to new foods,” all of which I had on a regular basis in Dallas.
Whatever you are into for fun, you can find in Dallas — you just may have to drive or uber for 40 minutes to get there. Sports, bar-hopping, punk, skater, hipster, preppy, diverse, traditional, liberal, etc., etc., etc.
People say they don’t like Dallas because there is no diversity. What they really mean is that there aren’t as many Asians. I like the diversity in Dallas much more: white, black, Asian, native, immigrant, middle-Eastern, etc. I knew more black engineers just at my job in Dallas than I’ve met in total since moving to the Bay. Hispanics in Texas can be your attorney, architect, banker, engineer, and so forth. Aside from a few exceptions, the Hispanics in the Bay Area live on the other side of the track and work in kitchens and warehouses.
Dallas is full of immigrants and transplants. Lots of refugees from Africa and mid-East. I haven’t met a single refugee in the Bay area. In the West coast I see so many people who just feel they are better than the middle states. Seriously, school substitute teachers here feel like they are intellectually superior to someone with an engineering PhD from a university in Texas, Alabama, Tennesee, etc. So in places like Dallas, Austin, Atlanta, and Nashville, you get a lot of the brilliant and talented people who just don’t want to live in the smug monoculture of the coasts.
SF is much more bearable for a socially active young adult. But down in the South and East Bay, it is all suburbia. I was so frustrated when I first got here. I was used to being able to work late in Dallas, and then go for dinner and a drink in Uptown as late as 11pm or even after midnight. At a restaurant — not a diner or fast food. Everything closes so early in San Jose/Santa Clara/Sunnyvale.
Dallas has a great airport. Several non-stop daily flights to world-class cities: Tokyo, London, New York, San Francisco, LA, Amsterdam, Paris, London, Dubai, and more.
Where I see money/income playing a role is more in relationships and social circle dynamics. In Dallas, all my friends felt like they were in a good financial situation. It was easy to plan activities, trips, happy hours, and parties. In the Bay everyone feels poor or tries to come off as poor. Trying to set anything up is like pulling teeth because nobody wants to spend money or at least let others see them spend it.
Weatherwise, I hated Dallas summers. With a passion. But we have technology for that. I spent lots of time indoors or by the pool in summer. Again, SF is much better than the South and East Bay in this aspect. SF is nice and cool throughout most of the year. The South and East Bay get too hot to qualify as nice weather during the summer months.
I’ve enjoyed both places and have now a solid social circle here in California. I am not looking to move anytime in the foreseeable future. But I can see the shortcomings and I am empathetic with people who move here and wonder what all the fuzz was about.
- Microsoft gcnsjfheAs a person living in Seattle, that is what I feel about bay area too. Seattle is not as diverse as Dallas and it is tech centric however the culture is pretty different. People in bay area drive 15 year old Civic whereas most drive Audi or BMW or at least new Camry here in Seattle. People in bay area claim they earn a lot but what is the use if you can’t spend that in your golden time? It feels like they are forgoing the life in 20-40s and live for their retirement. How boring is such life?
When people talk about Seattle vs Bay, people point out bad weather. I laught out at them hard. You are a fcking boring software engineer who spend all day in front of computer and don’t even go outside to enjoy the sun!
I also thought people in Seattle are cold. I lived in south and could feel the difference. However, SF and bay are new level of low. At least, people in profession are nice and kind here. You at least get the smile when you order something. In bay, I should feel sorry for ordering something!
People at Microsoft works significantly less hours than other tech companies in bay. We usually have season pass for skiing. We travel to Mexico, Whistler, LA or Europe frequently. So it is not how much you make, rather how frugal you are. Even for immigrants, that is obvious. As a parent, I see lots of parents volunteering as well. I don’t see many Amazonians doing that though. So I am thinking it has a lot to do with company culture. Ex Microsoftees spread out in Seattle area keep the similar culture. Bay area needs lots of chill Microsoftees :)Sep 9, 2019 2
- Ohh boy, wrong place to post. The only replies you're gonna get here are from salty elites in denial trying to convince everything outside bay area is shit and it's a paradise here. Good luck. Bought a $2.3M house only to find a junkie taking a huge turd on the doorstep within the first week. And no it wasn't in tenderloin.
- The problem isn't that there are pockets of the city where this problem doesn't exist. The problem is that after paying $2.3 mil in one of the good neighborhoods, you get that. And that our answer to it is to look somewhere else instead of calling it out as a problem. We are normalizing problems.
- Move mmyIs this a joke? Did you just compare TX to SF 😅
Might be depressed because of the low TC?
- I always make sure my first 2 weeks salary covers rent, bills and feeding. This has been my policy with any place I find myself. If it means getting a cheaper car/cheaper apartment, I do that. But my first 2 weeks salary must cover all bills. Which leaves me with another 2 weeks salary to either save, invest or travel with.Sep 7, 2019 2
- Amazon OdpS15I made 60k on the Southeast to making 140k and no matter what my salary was I always found good food, great music, theatre and hiking places. And because COL was so cheap and I wasn’t spending 3000 on rent, I took two vacations aboard a year and still managed to save money. Any place that’s fun only for the rich is garbage.Sep 18, 2019 1
- Kabbage / Data fxnM15I think you’re confusing the city you’re living in to the ‘bay area’ which is definitely not homogeneous. Maybe you need to spend more to get away to a better zip code, but I doubt 110k TC would do it.
- Apple Shouldyou?With that TC you are below poverty line in Bay Area. Saddle up and move back
- Having a roommate isn’t the definition of poverty lol, it’s working paycheck to paycheck not sure if you’ll be able to make rent next month or not and living off food stamps. Hey Apple why don’t you get tf outta Cupertino and cross the bridge over to Oakland to see what actual poverty looks like.