#hashicorp #hrissues I recently applied to Hashicorp and really like their Vault product and am being considered by the recruiter for a screening. Had a question about company culture. How difficult would it be for me to fit in or at least keep to myself if I held conservative views and religious convictions. Every email I've received so far have personal pronouns in the signature and I don't wish to do that. I'm totally fine with calling people by their names, whatever that may be but I have religious convictions on the pronouns part and cannot do that. Right now I work at a company that's quite large its easy to blend in and nobody really cares as long as you do your job and leave. Would that also be the case at Hashicorp or will I be required to acquiesce to certain viewpoints of social issues that I disagree with. I mainly ask because I'm on an H1B and losing a job for any reason means I have to leave the US unless I can find another in 2 months. At my current job, nobody forces these things on me and I don't force my views on anybody, I do my job and leave. I'm hoping some employees at Hashicorp will be able to give me some answers to these questions. PS: I'm not looking for a debate on any social issue, you are free to disagree with my views, I don't intend to force my views on you, I humbly request you not to do that on me either. I just want to know the potential situation I might be getting myself into.
TBH you should look elsewhere. Great company but if you have issues with something like this, then you will not make it past the interview process. If someone has their pronouns and you call them something else, you will not last long. Plenty of conservatives/religious in the company, but your post demonstrates a lack of kindness towards others by refusing to respect pronouns of others and that would not be tolerated.
I did not mean that I would call them something else. I said I would prefer to avoid the issue altogether and call them by their preferred name. Sorry, if I did not explain that well.
+1. This is not a matter of conservative views not being tolerated (they are), it's a matter of basic respect and adherence to company principles (kindness is one of them, and most folks do demonstrate it most of the time). If these things pose an issue for you, please save yourself the trouble.
If you can’t give a human being basic respect and refer to them how they’d like to be referred, you’re just an asshole. Even the most fundamentalist people I know understand that it’s nice to respect the wishes of their fellow people. If I were your god, I’d curse you with a bunch of really inconvenient circumstances to punish you for projecting your selfish assholery and blaming me for it.
Thank you sir for your kind comments
There's no excuse for not giving the basic decency of respecting someone's pronouns. That is just a matter of being a considerate coworker. You will have a hard time at a lot of companies located in progressive areas within the US
100% yes. the problem here is the signaling. people that shout they are X to the world are the ones that “doth protest too much”. you don’t need to be all SJW to be respectful
While I absolutely do not agree with you, I really do I appreciate the consideration you have given it. I honestly find your post humble and well stated.
imo people are free to do what they want, but op is also free to decide to not to play along with it.
Which religion has foreseen this as a thing and preemptively put something forbidding in writing?
According to Christianity, male and female were made in the Image of God (Genesis 1: 27). Which means I believe that our biological sex is directly tied to God's ordering the Universe. I believe I would be disrespecting somebody by referring to them as anything other than their biological sex because its intrinsically connected to the way God made things. Once again, you are free to disagree with me and even mock me for my beliefs, but this is why I believe what I believe, not because I hate people who believe and act differently.
You don’t get to decide for someone else what constitutes respect for them. The Bible also has passages about proper protocol of beating slaves, marrying multiple wives and is weirdly harsh about wearing mixed fabrics and having sex. people who use religious books as a basis of behaving never seem to find a passage that goes against what they want to do. Somehow the book always has a convenient piece to support what they really deep down want to do anyway.
Being kind is part of our principles. If you don’t think you can be kind to others, please don’t come work here.
Hi, could you please refer me to a position at HC? Sorry, I ran out of DMs. Thanks!
Could we connect regarding an open role at Hashicorp?
Just to warn you, since Bostock v. Clayton County, I think workplace law is moving to a place where respecting a person's preferred pronouns is a matter of legal compliance for all US companies, not just progressive tech companies. But there is an emerging body of case law allowing religion exemptions to this kind of thing, because conservatives have been pushing the judiciary to respect what they deem "religious liberty". So some suggestions for you: - Find an employer that shares your religious disposition - Consider work opportunities outside the USA - Think carefully about the tradeoffs here. Maybe you will determine that adhering to someone else's pronoun preferences is worth it to pursue your career goals.
My opinion is that you should consider looking elsewhere. The company culture very much leans toward progressiveness. If this would bother you before joining it may become a bigger frustration for you down the road.
That’s not to say there aren’t people who share the same view as you. My guess is that many do. The question for you is, are you willing to do your best to respect others wishes? In doing so, would it bother you? Gender pronouns are the tip of the iceberg.
Thank you for your considerate and sincere response. I am willing to do my best to respect others, in that I do not intend to tell them they are wrong or need to change or anything of the sort. I just don't want it to be forced on me to do what I am uncomfortable with doing. I just want to be left alone on my private, religious views. I want to do a good job, work on a great product and have a life outside of work. I don't intend to force my religious views or have any religious conversation while at work, the only thing I cannot do is the usage of gender pronouns, whether as a requirement in my email signature or in conversation with others, I'd rather avoid the whole issue and use names instead. But thanks again for your well stated opinion. I cleared the screening and am scheduled for the next set of interviews. My plan is to make my views clear to the hiring team if I am selected, if they decide to reject me based on that, I understand and I'll move on.
I am not sure if I completely follow what you are asking, but if someone has a pronoun (she/her) they would like to be addressed that way. If they dont have a gender identified, I would say its okay to assume or ask. But if you are saying, you are not comfortable addressing them based on their preferred pronoun, that might be an issue. For them its a big deal, for you it might not be.