Do I get another job offer to negotiate a mid year promotion at my present job?
I busted my ass off and worked for almost 7 days / week for the last one year and released an entire new internal product being used by a lot teams now. I got a huge RSU refresher at the annual rewards check in. But, I was expecting a promotion. Instead another team member got a promotion. I’m a little pissed and expressed my dissatisfaction. The manager wants me to continue doing good work and tells me that I’m on the path to a higher raise next year. Nothing about a promotion. He gives me some bullshit about how it was just my first year here and my progress has been good. I’ve been preparing for interviews for a while now. Should I get a new job and negotiate my way to a promotion at the present job? I know it sounds wrong, but I just need to be paid well for my hard work. Just because it takes 3 years for someone to get a promotion, doesn’t mean that I’d wait for 3 years. I’m more of a guy who’d want to do that work in 1 year and get that promotion. What do you think I should do? Will it backfire if I get a new offer letter and talk to my manager about a promotion? Ps: I’m single. I work my ass off coz I like my work. I also have a good work life balance. I play sports and workout as well. So, stop hating!
What do you want to get promoted to?
The next job level: Senior Computer Scientist
Amazon would welcome you with open arms.. promos here are more for people like you and are not seniority based.
Lol
Get a new job at a higher level in the new company! Or at least get a good pay bump. Internal promotion usually just raises your comp by little.
You sound like exactly the kind of person that would thrive at a FANG company. Many of those older companies use senority to decide promotions, don't waste your time there unless you are bottom of the barrel, in which case stay and congrats!
My 2 cents, if you feel you deserve more and you are not getting what you want.. you should move to better place like may be one of the fang companies. Even if you negotiate one promotion, what will happen after that, how will become a principal.. will you do another set if interviews for that. Also were you and the other guy who got promoted competing for the same promotion?
Makes sense. Weren’t competing for the same promotion.
I worked at a big company that behaved like adobe. I complained nonstop to my manager - ended up getting four raises and a promo in one year
You can do your current job very well, hence the refresher and promised promotion, but that doesn’t meant you’re eligible for a promotion. It just means you’re doing your current job very well. It’s important you don’t get frustrated because you assume doing your current job well earns you a promotion. Doing the next level well does
Have you had experience "doing the next job well"? I've tried but it seems vague and difficult to achieve
At my company, there are guidelines up to a point and then your manager usually has your back and there also are 1:1 mentorship programs and large support groups That means I was able to find out exactly what was expected of me to get a promotion, then just focus on that. Or, make sure that in my normal work, I’m deliberately ticking those boxes as well, more like it
If you're capable of getting a new job, is there any reason for you *not* to do it?
Could just be the company. Before MS, I was at a couple other companies, got stellar reviews, heavily praised, given ownership of things far beyond my level and mentored others/led teams. At my last company, my manager even mentioned that I was his "best engineer" and the person that he could count on to figure the really difficult stuff out and come up with efficient solutions on tight deadlines. I was below level of every single one of my team mates but performed well beyond them and even they commented the same. But I was denied promotion simply because I didn't have enough years at the level. I left. Promoted before first year ended here at MS. Promotion pace since then has been quick. I like being recognized for my efforts, instead of told just to wait my turn by putting in the years. Might as well just be a warm body by that point. All that to say, the company may not be the right place for you. I would definitely look elsewhere and be seriously considering making the move to the new company.
There are three or so factors for the middle manager: how many people can your manager or department promote people in a year or a promotion cycle; who does your manager want to keep in the team; and who is more likely to leave right away if not promoted. Your manager will try to come up with any excuse to try to calm you down which is why any reasoning will sound unreasonable. Similar to promotion constraints, there are award/salary constraints. It looks like your manager decided to give you a nice refresher and the other guy a promotion, possibly, instead of a better salary/total comp bump. At this point, it’s possible that the other guy is now angry that he/she didn’t get a better bump. In your manager’s reasoning, you’re refreshers will be a factor in retention and buy him/her time to get you the promotion. As long as you’re producing and staying, it’s perfect for the company; by the time, you really think you’re going to leave you’ll get your promotion. Try to put yourself in his/her shoes and see how you would do in similar constraints. Because you’ll eventually have to do it if you want to be a manager. Even if you don’t want to be, try to understand so you can navigate your way and get what you want such as a promotion. You need a manager who will open up and really explain to you the promotion process that happens behind doors in your company. ie. Managers in the department weight each engineer by importance and decisions are made as a whole. Every company has its own way. Otherwise, give it a try at my current company. ;)
Switch. Let the incompetent manager and his promoted minion handle the product
I did that— it was great and the team is on a hiring freeze and are stuck with top-heavy under-performers.
Yeah just leave. You can make way more money with the new offer than what the guy who got promoted got lol.