Looking for thoughts on my offers - Both in Austin (where my wife and I would like to be). Microsoft L62: Base - 139K Sign On Bonus - 50K / 2yrs Sign On Stock - 145K over 4 yr Performance Bonus - 10-20% base Performance Stock - 22-44K (not sure what vestment for this is) TC over 4 years: 236-272, 236-272, 211-247, 211-247 Amazon L5: Base - 160K Bonus - 91K yr 1 then 71K yr 2 Stock - 223K over 4 yr (5%, 15%, 40%, 40%) TC over 4 years: 262, 265, 250, 250 Haven’t negotiated either yet. I do have a wife and kids, so I’m leaning MSFT atm for WLB, but want to know thoughts on the offers. I’m also headed into Hiring Committee for L4 w/ Google this week, they’re my preferred, but they take so long to get through the process. Honest end goal for career is entrepreneurship. How bad would it be to jump ship if I get a Google offer within 6 months? YoE: 2 yr with Masters TC: ~120K Update: Didn’t get Google, Still deciding which direction to go. What’s really making me hesitate with Amazon is fear of working 50+ hour weeks regularly. #engineering #software #swe #offers #austin
OP - your MS TC won’t be really that high. It’ll be more like 210-215 with MS and cliff after sign on and a really big cliff after 4 years because the refreshers are really bad
Amazon pays you the most in cash in the first 2 years. Just take that.
Plus teams in Amazon Austin are super chill. Didn't realize the place makes all the difference
Which ones? Often you're still reporting to someone in Seattle or Dublin.
How is the Microsoft signing bonus paid? All at once? If you're getting into Google, I suggest you join Amazon for 6mo because of the all cash monthly comp, then simply quit after 3 to 6mo after your Google is setup. I've seen many people do this for Meta and Google at Amazon. Best part is that because Amazon Signing Bonus is usually vested and paid out monthly, you never have to return anything (other than the laptop). Also, 260k is pretty low these days. People have been getting 300k+ for Austin. Amazon pay bands are officially the same for SEA and AUS (although Seattle seems more competitive and in practice people seem to negotiate better offers there it seems).
Microsoft bonus is split even between two years atm. I believe it’s a lump sum at the beginning of each year. I intend to negotiate this to be all first year.
Confused… elaborate? People take amazon offer then leave 3-6 mo later?
Btw to answer your 6 month Google question - no it doesn’t matter to anyone if you leave a company in 6 months
Would it be worse to leave a company after a short time or to reneg on an offer just before starting?
Probably reneg
Amazon.
Are you still at MSFT? What makes you say Amazon?
Yes. I also worked at Amazon. Amazon is usually chill in non Seattle HQ locations. And you get your cash upfront. Reassess two years from now.
You can negotiate waaaay up for Amazon SDE2, in Austin, like a lot. I got 220k as SDE I.
God damn MS paying peanuts.
Which stock is gonna boooom. Take it based on that..
I’m just tryna understand how you only have 2yoe and also kids
Took some gap years in undergrad, and got a Masters. Married young.
Wish you don’t need to LC to have kids :p