finance firms more stable in recession than faang?

more stability at two sigma, jane street, citadel etc than faang in a recession?

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Barclays PLC AnusDogger Sep 2, 2019

Market makers will thrive in a recession. They make money when volatility is very high. Some of the places you listed are market makers, so yes, their business will be much more stable than faang. What they pay may not be though, since the price of talent would likely be much cheaper.

Bloomberg wnuJ08 Sep 2, 2019

This is false... market makers will make money if volitility is managabily high. When it sky rockets as in value drops drops and drops like in a recession, trade volume is generally lower and so market maker also loses

Citadel Securities bluetiger Sep 2, 2019

I agree that the lower volumes can hurt market makers but just look at the recession in 2008 - most financial firms collapsed, market makers had record years for the most part.

Goldman Sachs fake engineer Sep 2, 2019

If you have PnL exposure, one record year is all you need :)

Google hutg64jr Sep 10, 2019

All you need to earn money for market maker during high volatility time?

Goldman Sachs fake engineer Sep 10, 2019

? Don't understand what you asked.. What I meant was if you get a cut of profits that is 7 digits, it's okay to lose your job the next year.

Capital One Hbfb74 Sep 4, 2019

Minus Netflix, FANG have much stronger balance sheets and access to cheap capital than any of the HFT firms.

Ten-X RFMR24 Sep 4, 2019

Remember the last recession coincided with the launch of the first ever iPhone. There's something to be said about that given the 10 year rally we've been in ever since! That being said though, it's pretty hard to ascertain where the trigger for the next recession comes from. That would dictate which sectors of the economy end up being more impacted!

Earnest y2k1999 Sep 4, 2019

Low interest rate environment is essentially free money to firms in the origination business. Rates for borrowers are dropping too but not as much as the cost of funds faced by firms making new loans

new dreamhunt Sep 4, 2019

None of them are stable. Money gets wiped off from the markets. Everyone gets affected. Keep good connections with your manager/boss

Chase Sha_ Sep 4, 2019

How come faang is more stable?

Axioma HYKI11 Sep 4, 2019

Tech will be the first industry to get hit Big if recession happens.

Bloomberg DINE<GO> Sep 5, 2019

Depends on the nature of recession. Market makers fare well during volatile times. Hedge funds will as well if they are...well hedged. FANG will take a cut as business pull back on ad spending and consumers shop less. Expect to see less hiring and headcount reduction by attrition in areas with mediocre or worse performance. The most dangerous to be is a pre-revenue startup followed by pre-profit startup. Anything that needs a stream of investor cash to survive. Profitable startups will probably stagnate, but at least most people will keep their jobs. Fat margins help.

Google hutg64jr Sep 10, 2019

What about place like Bloomberg? Stable during recession?

Bloomberg DINE<GO> Sep 10, 2019

Bloomberg will cut the bottom 10% as most companies do but will otherwise be stable.